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As long as I can disable it, sure. Knock yourself out.
Pretty sure the only thing I wouldn’t object to AI being used for in Firefox would be ad blocking. Surely they’re going to use this for that right?
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Right?
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Shit.
And we say goodbye to Firefox. NEXT!
Did you actually read the content…?
Why does my open source browser need proprietary SaaS products stuffed into it?
Isn’t this what extensions are for?
It also has google stuffed into it, and apparently the new consensus is that you need AI just as much for browsing as a search engine
Who else is gonna parse through the AI search results? Not me.
Firefox has a tendency to embed optional extensions as impossible to uninstall core features these days, so it would not change much.
Honestly, the worst part of the AI craze is that so many people hear AI now and immediately hate it even though it can really do some amazing stuff, e.g. in medicine. AI as a blanket term just has so much variance, there’s a ton of trash and a ton of great stuff.
Part of the problem is that all ads anymore want push their version of “AI” in your face and some of these “AI” are nothing new just rebranded.
Part of my research as an undergrad was working with PLSA. It’s very much an algorithm.
“AI” today mostly refers to LLMs, and whichever LLM you’re using, you’ll likely face the same issues (wrong answers creeping in, tending towards mediocrity in its answers, etc.) - those seem to be things you have to live with if you want to use LLMs. if you know you can’t deal with it, another rebrand won’t help anything
I think it makes sense. I like ChatGPT and I appreciate having easy access to it. What I really wish is the option to use local models instead. I realize most people don’t have machines that can tokenize quickly enough but for those that do…
Seconding this. Why not allow people to run llama3 or other open source models?
From the post:
Whether it’s a local or a cloud-based model, if you want to use AI, we think you should have the freedom to use (or not use) the tools that best suit your needs
From the post it seems like theyll ad support for self-hosted models before the feature leaves beta
Anyone have any other good suggestions for Firefox alternatives? Sounds like I may be needing to switch soon.
Also Firefox but less shitty.
There are none.
Well shit.
I highly recommend everyone making the switch to LibreWolf. It’s a custom version of Firefox that focuses on the things that matter like privacy and security, while cutting out the annoyances that Mozilla loves to add to their browsers.
Oh. This looks great. Thank you for sharing.
why would you need to switch, did you read the article?
I did. I’m not needing to switch. At least not right now. (hence the ‘may’ in my original comment) But given the Laura Chambers interim CEO thing and now this LLM integration. Mozilla seems to be making moves that I don’t agree with. But as long as they stay true to their key tennents I won’t need to switch. Which would be good. Because I really don’t want to. But I’ve seen a enough good companies become bad companies that I’m weary for the future of the app. So being aware of what alternatives may be out there would be helpful.
Cause AI = bad
Duh 🤪
AI as in machine learning? No I dont think that’s bad. It’s a very useful technology that we’ve already been using for decades in a bunch of different fields. But I’m assuming you’re referring to LLMs which are what’s being integrated into Firefox.
I would argue that LLMs ARE bad. For multiple reasons. At least the big ones run by these giant tech companies.
If you’re locally running one with training data provided by you then I don’t see an issue with that really. (except maybe energy consumption issues. Though I don’t imagine a personal use LLM run locally would draw anywhere near the energy that something like Chat Gpt is drawing.)
I’m very much on the side that believes that what these LLM models do essentially boils down to theft/plagiarism though. So if you disagree with that you may disagree that LLMs are bad.
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They actually plan to use some local stuff in addition to the rest, otherwise I don’t trust anything OpenAI/Google.
Not going to lie, AI can be a very powerfull tool but the “we want your browsing experience to be divine, but don’t worry we have your back” scares me shitless. Firefox has always had our backs, why do they feel the need to mention it now? Maybe I’m being paranoid but I feel like a browser shoulf just be a browser.
Firefox has always had our backs
It’s been going in a less friendly direction for a while. Embedding of mandatory useless extensions, aggressive advertising, deals to display more and more content to more users, disregard for user settings on multiple updates, opt-out telemetry, and now telling you that you’re using it wrong.
Sure, you can navigate through various settings to disable most of these, and check back on updates for settings that toggles back, or are simply renamed and mysteriously got back to their default, intrusive value. But we should not have to do that.
And that’s not even touching the issue with the Mozilla Corporation itself.
Firefox is the alternative browser, but it certainly isn’t there to “have your back”.
I hope they add DuckDuckGo as a provider. I use their chat with Mixtral often.
Mixtral is the best of all without doubts. I use as a daily driver too and thr fact that it has loose censorship (until now) give me always great awnsers.
trustworthy AI
Our initial offering will include ChatGPT, Google Gemini, HuggingChat, and Le Chat Mistral
What
I would relatively ok with an implementation of Le Chat Mistral
Defund Mozilla lmao. Absolute shipwreck of a company at this point.
At least this is opt-in, and Firefox still allows for manifest v3 extensions, and, on the whole, isn’t using a engine funded by a billion dollar company that’s doing everything in it’s power to spy on you.
You mean v2?
Ah, yes, I do.
Their whole company is funded by a billion dollar company that’s doing everything in its power to spy on you.
So what’s the alternative that is better
into it
Yeah i was kinda overreacting but it really isnt looking good for firefoxes future at this point imo. As long as its open source there will at least be forks like librewolf.
Who do we turn to for a browser? Not chromium based I don’t trust google codebase.
Idk I still hope a Servo-based browser somehow materializes itself someday, but if/when that happens, who knows.
Orion for macOS is pretty awesome.
I actually love Safari but on my work computer I’m forced to use their VPN and can’t run my ad blocking DNS stuff on it, so I use Orion with uBlock Origin on it. It’s basically Safari (built on WebKit) with support for Chrome and Firefox plug-ins (which can be selectively disabled).
Yeah idk either sadly. But i know that having only two relevant browsers on the market is like the US party system. Destined to fail.
Nothing lasts forever just like Steam or anything else will one day turn to shit. But pretending like everything is fine will just lead to lots of “we shouldve seen it coming”.
I think it comes down to what you’re willing to sacrifice. If I can do banking that’s the hard line for me, so JS at the very least.
Did you read the article? Why would adding an option to use ai in a side bar require shuttering a company?
“this week, we will launch an opt-in experiment”
And
“those who have opted-in will have the option to access their preferred AI service from the Firefox sidebar”
If you are so keen to know, then you will just have to wait a few more years. Firefoxes development is rapidly derailing into nonsense recently. They will have to either kick out their current leadership or they will be reduced to a data sucking, adware company sooner or later.
Oh yes, as opposed to Google or Microsoft who definitely aren’t already data-sucking, predatory adware companies. No thanks, I’ll stick with the lesser evil.
If you’re going to lie to everyone at least make it sound believable.
Do you read any tech news? If so how did u miss every single mozilla headline of the past months? Something being the lesser evil doesnt turn truths into lies.
You’ve read the articles? Cool, can you give me a rundown of all the terrible things Mozilla has done in the past months?
So you admit you’re only reading headlines and base your opinion on it?
Did the thought cross your mind that all the billion dollar companies behind for-profit browsers might have an interest in Firefox failing?
No fuckin’ thanks.
native tab grouping would be a much more desirable feature, to me
The new CEO of Mozilla, Laura Chambers, has a background working at all sorts of evil companies like AirBnB and PayPal. Its absolutely no surprise that the company immediately dropped plans to diversify in ethical, unique and privacy friendly ways as soon as she joined.
CEOs getting paid primarily in stock means grifters like this will drop their USP for whatever trend makes the line go up, if it is crypto, NFTs, or AI.
Shes not the new ceo, shes a temporary interim ceo while they find someone better
