Because everyone expects trump to lie.
Continually, repeatedly and with wild abandon. People noticed Biden’s stumble BECAUSE it was out of the norm
With trump it was the same old shit he always says
It wasn’t out of the norm, it’s just up till that point all the gaffs were smaller audience and MSM and online CTR types constantly saying things like “he’s got a stutter!” or “you’re just ageist!” and the debate was much more obvious and watched by enough that those deflections aren’t working anymore.
I held my nose and voted Biden last election BTW, we just should have faced the facts that he’s clearly been in cognative decline and put in place steps to have a successor prepared, but the party decided it had to be Biden and here we are.
You held your nose to vote for the objectively better candidate who has gone on to do more for the progressive movement than any other president ever.
I have to say that shit like that constantly being said can’t possibly help either. Constant negativity at every stage no matter what; great look.
Bernie would have been better on literally every front and he was fucked by the DNC and the elites.
Saying Biden has been the most progressive president is honestly hilarious to me, like did you know FDR existed? Ever looked into some of the glorious policies in that time?
Trump is literally a wannabe evil dictator, so yeah Biden is clearly the better candidate, but let’s be real here please.
It’s not correct to say Biden has been more progressive than FDR, especially for the time. However, it’s also not “hilarious” to mistake the number 2 for the number 1. Policy-wise Biden has been enormously good for the working class and it’s not honest to say otherwise. Also, FDR had almost 4 terms and never openly sided with a union over a corporation like Biden did.
What union did Biden openly side with? If it’s the rail one I’m thinking of, he broke the strike and forced them back… So…
What other progressive policies has Biden implemented? (Serious question)
I do know about the student loan stuff, which was killed, did raise the minimum wage for federal workers, which is nice but also just a small improvement. Roe v Wade is out now (not directly his fault ofc) and I haven’t seen any overall improvements/changes on that front.
UAW.
NLRB appointments that are top notch, FTC appointments that are top notch, the ones you mentioned, improved overtime 1.5x pay regulations, LOTS of infrastructure spending for public transport, lots of antitrust in the tech sector specifically regarding privacy and data brokering, strict regulations against Airlines and banks who apply hidden fees and predatory return/overdraft loan interest policies as well as specific mortgage loan practices which result in surprise rate increases, and he might be structuring for Marijuana decriminalization, it’s already down to schedule 3 from schedule 1. Most of his accomplishments are tied to his agencies and some smart appointments to them, and it is a big reason the Supreme Court is trying to gut them.
His executive orders have been much more measured than Obama’s and Trump’s, for better or for worse. He doesn’t seem to want the supreme court to slap down everything he does, but that’s a neoliberal for you.
I see your point, I guess my stance is a lot of those feel like neolib small steps, which aren’t nothing for sure, just hard to say they’re actually progressive, as most progressive ideals I align with require much larger changes to structure in general. Neolib policies are partially what brought us to this place (of course the GOP ghouls tearing it all down every other presidency doesn’t help…) I think a lot of it ends up feeling like the dems promise a lot and then under deliver every time, but they clearly don’t cheerlead the wins they do make enough either. Feels like they’re constantly just trying to fight off right wing narratives instead, which is clearly just a waste of time as they will misrepresent and straight lie as much as possible.
Because this election isn’t going to be decided by hard core Democrats and only one person on that stage looked mentally incompetent. And I understand he’s not, but man is that going to be a helluva thing to prove to people who don’t watch politics. People who tuned into the debate because they were undecided.
Biden lied about israel accepting a ceasefire and Hamas rejecting it.
Why has no Democrat ever mentioned this?
Lied continually. Like multiple times.
Because their “ceasefire” proposal is the same as Russia’s was : lay down and give us complete control of your territory, and we reserve the right to continue killing you afterwards.
That’s not a treaty, that’s imperialism backed by murder.
With all due respect, of which I feel very little is actually due, fuck that.
And Trump has said that Israel should “just finish the job”.
What makes you think that he will lift a finger to help the Palestinian people?
And what about your Congress and Senate? Aren’t they the ones who send the money and arms to Israel?
Shouldn’t you be on their collective ass?
This dilemma would be a lot easier if Trump was the one complicit in Genocide right now and we just had to vote him out. You wouldn’t believe the rallies we would see against Trump if he was the one in the driver seat today
Not sure if cosplaying as a Republican was the play for Biden.
Trump lying is no news. He performed as everyone expected.
Because in a televised debate, people only see performance. It’s not like anyone fact-checked Trump, either. Biden tried and failed to meaningfully rebut him, and the moderators didn’t even try.
Because we all knew trump would lie. That’s not news. What we didn’t know, is how far Biden has slipped since 2020.
You know, and I know, but for the low-information voter, you’d be surprised. To many low-information voters, they think Trump occasionally exaggerates because he’s braggadocious, and they think Biden is a serial liar because he’s an establishment politician.
It’s a false equivalence, but his lies need to be pointed out and shown to be false. It’s hard, because he Gish Gallops all over the stage, but it needs to be done. Trump needs to be shown as a blatant and malicious liar to the average person. It needs to be made clear that he thinks very little of his base’s intelligence, and that he’s taking them for a ride.
Low-info voters won’t read the news and shun any media that doesn’t come straight out of trump puckered anus lips. Why would the news target that demographic? Or a better way to put it: News that targeted that demographic with that messaging were unable to compete with other news organizations.
There were moderators? The only people i noticed were 2 seriously overdressed stage hands that handled muting microphones. Other than that it was just Biden and Trump being total embarrassments.
That’s what moderators are supposed to do. They aren’t judges, or fact checkers. They are supposed to present the questions to the speakers, and manage time, and maybe on occasion ask a followup question. It’s the speakers job to respond to questions and their counterpart(s) on stage.
It is so funny they talk about the look and presentation when its so much easier to just spew out whatever is at tip of your brain with no care about veracity.
s/world/MEDIA world/
Cool… cool. We’re just gonna ignore the sitting President has dementia. What’s for dinner?
Ok boomer
Ok beta
You should look up what dementia actually entails. It’s not a joke to be thrown at people who are just simply old and can’t articulate the way they used to. Which was the case with Biden.
It’s an insult to those who suffer from the disease and belittles their struggles.
They’re also not a President who won’t submit to a cognitive test, so spare me your outrage. Do you know that the 82 year old doesn’t have dementia?
My point is that dementia is a very specific disease that is debilitating and if Biden came within a golf shot of having it he never would have mounted that stage.
Honestly, Trump displays more things symptomatic of dementia than Biden does. Biden is just displaying old age. And yeah, he’s fucking old. But then, Trump is only 2 years younger than his old ass.
You missed the point yet again. If there was even a chance that he had dementia he wouldn’t have been on that stage you dumbass.
You seem upset about this. I am too. But getting angry at others doesn’t help. The politicians that put us in this situation like it when we’re angry with each other. It redirects our anger for them to each other.
Take care.
Being a condescending prick doesn’t improve your position. Piss off.
Can’t articulate the way they used to? The man lost his thought and then switched topics to say we beat medicare. He devolved into a golf pissing contest on national TV. He gave Trump unneeded openings on things like The Afghanistan Withdrawal.
He might not have dementia but don’t try and tell us he was all there, just unable to articulate properly.
Sure but Trump seems to have soiled himself during the debate. There are videos discussing this going around.
Because you’re the one pushing them. And they’re shit videos.
Lol, look how much people comes out of the shell when you start playing their same game. The video seemed authentic to me, and Trump has a history of shitting himself according to people that worked with him.
I don’t care if Presidents poop, I do require the “leader of the free world “ to be able to process thoughts.
Well Trump can certainly process foods
hamberders and Diet Coke.
Because everyone knew Trump would lie constantly, that’s all he ever does. Biden used to be an eloquent, confident public speaker, but that has changed drastically in the last 4 years. We also know that reporting on Trump’s lies doesn’t slow or stop them and definitely doesn’t change his supporters’ minds. If anything, reporting constantly on the lies he tells just gives him more screen-time to spread them. Also, the world really needs Trump to lose, so if the only guy available to do so is seemingly physically unable, it makes sense to talk about options.
Giving Trump more air time just makes more people know about Trump.
We can’t hide the Democrat candidate for fear of his public appearance hitting his ratings and also try to parade him around as competent. It turns into telling not showing and any film major can tell you that’s a crappy movie that no one will buy.
People need to see a guy who looks like they can handle a job and hear about it. To much begging on Trump just brings us back to Trump.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Here’s a summary: Not only did Trump repeatedly lie, but he also delivered nonsensical responses and non-answers lacking any insight into his policy plans.
For example, when moderator Jake Tapper asked what he would do to make child care more affordable, the presumptive GOP nominee initially dodged the question.
Later, when Trump was given an opportunity at the debate to address voter concerns over his mental fitness, the 77-year-old offered two points to alleviate the public’s fears.
Also of concern on the debate stage, Trump didn’t commit to unconditionally accepting the election results and underscored his intentions to seek political retribution.
Commentator Kaivan Shroff remarked that the media has chosen to “ignore Trump being a convicted felon, racist, nutjob, etc” while journalist Sophia Nelson said on CNN that she believed it’s fair to question Biden after his performance, but warned of the “pile-on” against him.
“It’s frankly astonishing that we have no less than eight op-ed pieces calling for Biden to drop out after a bad debate, but we had zero after any one of Trump’s convictions,” journalist Victoria Brownworth wrote.
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Because one was par for the course while the other was very unexpected.
Person 1 who missed the debate: How’d the debate go?
Person 2 who watched it: Well Trump lied thru his teeth for every answer.
Person 1 sarcastically: Wow what a shocker 🙄 and how did Biden do?
Person 2: Well he answered the question about abortion by ranting about an immigrant woman dying at the border.
Well he answered the question about abortion by ranting about an immigrant woman dying at the border.
No no. Far worse.
How an immigrant murdered this woman who was pregnant. And that there’s lots of it. Maybe? And then rambling about women being raped all the time by their family.But at least that was before they both started arguing just fine about golf handicaps.
I’m just going to leave this here: https://youtu.be/RYHPVX_Xs6g
I’m sorry but I don’t see it or hear it. I don’t like Trump but this looks like the kind of propaganda where they just blatantly lie about a video. It relies on our brains expecting something to be there so it makes it up. You defeat it by getting the accusation but then skipping to the video so you don’t hear the accusation ten times before watching it. So in summary Trump supposedly pauses, strains, and then there’s an audio component. I didn’t observe any of the three elements.
I thought Biden was sick, or was it tired? Now it’s tongue tied? The DNC is literally handing Trump the WH by refusing to acknowledge they are propping up a vegetable
TIL you can only be one at a time.
Not when the story keeps changing
Orrrrr yes tired and a cold, that’s not a ludicrous combination lol. And he’s always had a stutter, which yes can come out in many ways.
Announcing that you beat Medicare isn’t a cold symptom.
“Don’t you think he looks tired” isn’t a great talking point in favor of your candidate.
Listening to liberals still defending Biden is like listening to Republicans in their cult like worship for Trump
So dishonest lmao. Nobody thinks he’s a fucking banger of a candidate. Nobody is leaping for joy to vote for fucking Joe Biden. His faults are myriad and obvious. There is no worship. You have the choice between an actual despot and grampa Joe. That’s it.
They are both despots, those are your choices. I, and many others, refuse to participate in failed politics which only serve the wealthy
This is just reductive. Look at any of the policies from the D’s that benefit all of us, women, the poor. Waste your vote and enable fascism. Feel free.
edit: and the gays… and education… and taxes… and infrastructure… and climate… and migration…
Plenty of FOSS social media here, why not explore another comment thread? 🥾
Oh, you’re a contrarian who is only here for drama? Shocker 🥱
While I could see the wisdom in not propping up a vegetable, I’m not sure acknowledging that they are propping up a vegetable is any more of a “winning strategy”.
They need to count their losses while they still have time.
Because when the nation’s facing its greatest threat since at least the Civil War, your chosen defender should be a beacon of hope, not a quivering old man.
I love Joe Biden. He’s done great things for this country, and his administration has been excellent overall, despite being very bad at communicating it’s successes. But it’s time for him to rest on his laurels.
Senility is coming fast, and the Republicans are absolutely murdering him on this point. It’s by far the strongest play they have, and by choosing a different candidate that’s not in their 9th decade of life we can gut that argument.
RBG refused to retire and as a consequence we have the worst Court in the history of the country. Biden is refusing to retire, and as a consequence we’re likely to lose our Democracy entirely in 5 months.
It’s not too late to change candidates. It’s only in the last few decades that the candidate was known ahead of the convention. We can and should pick someone younger that can turn the narrative of “crazy old man” around on the also-ancient Donald Trump.
Everyone I talk to laments about how terrible both candidates are. How about we swap Joe out for someone who is at least mediocre?
My beacon of hope is the people oldman Joe surrounds himself with and his party. Putting it on one guy is absurd. The RGB comparison is also bad.
That’s not the concept the average American has of the President though and this isn’t 1984. We’re not going to just elect Bush after a caretaker term for Reagan. We need someone who has the energy to do all the normal president stuff and fight on the home front. Because we’re fast approaching the point of a Christian insurgency.
Admirable position, unfortunately 80 million other voters don’t have this nuanced position… and we need them to win.
Yeah but it’s not about you. Other people exist and you won’t change their mind through any amount of talk.
The strongest argument I’ve heard against changing is that Ohio requires a candidate to be registered before the Democratic convention. Fucking Ohio. Who let them be a swing state?
Ohio isn’t in play. But also this isn’t new. They’ve had that deadline for a while. The DNC set it up this way knowing it would be one more barrier to switching candidates.
That makes the convention irrelevant. The DNC hurt itself in confusion.
“Tongue tied”
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