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    Not only is that illegal, the dumbfuck doesn’t even realize that there couldn’t possibly be a better way for Democrats to sweep the election than on a wave of sympathy if Biden were assassinated.

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      That’s what the show posits. The title is something like “they’re gonna assassinate Biden”

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          Could be the donors, could be the party, could be a true believer.

          I don’t listen to his show so idk the reasoning but this is probably one of those stopped clock situations.

          They lose with Biden, if it goes instead to a brokered convention they lose. If Biden dies then there’s a good chance they win.

          Your question of who is the sticking point though. The party doesn’t care about winning, the donors are all giving to both sides anyway, only a true believer would do such a thing.

          There’s not a lot of precedent for that though. There was the congressional baseball watcher, but even then it was an ill conceived haphazard attack with little preparation.

          Pardon the pun, but democrats just don’t got any shooters.

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            I completely disagree. You have Trump and his people calling Biden the most evil president in history. That could absolutely turn into an assassination from a Trump devotee.

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              nah, the american conservative movement is just trying to stay in their lane and let the democrats fuck this one up themselves. there’s no benefit for their party, donors or true believers to a biden death.

              that’s not to say they can’t screw it up, just that they won’t allow or condone something as damaging to their chances as bidens death.

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                  That depends on if you’re including people “known to law enforcement” as lone nuts.

                  If so then yeah, if not then no.

                  Your typical real deal lone nut doesn’t target political figures, instead opting for the uhh propaganda of the deed.

                  The ruby style lone nut isn’t really acting by themselves, and always seems to have a bunch of people around them influencing their decisions.

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        Biden could be literally so ridden with dementia that he couldn’t recognize his own name and a wave of sympathy would still create a huge blue wave if he were assassinated.

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    It’s Illegal to say something like, “I want to kill the president.” Like crazy illegal. It’s ok that I just said it because I was just telling you it’s illegal.

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          Shame everyone got on a hardcore vindictive streak against every perceived ‘microagression’ a decade or so ago.

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            I have no idea what you’re talking about, but I think what happened was that mean dickheads with money started running everything.

            I think John Oliver is still having fun. Maybe some sports panel shows, too. Offhand I can’t think of anyone else, although I don’t watch much TV.

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            There’s thousands upon thousands of famous people. Why waste your time following or supporting someone that you feel is not a good person? Turns out a lot of people feel that same way, hence someone being “cancelled”. No one went on a “hardcore vindictive streak” to get these people cancelled.

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              Oh please. People were swinging that stick around blindly. Sure there were some legitimately bad actors hurt, but the damage it did to society as a whole has been incalculable, as every random idiot with a grudge felt empowered to wield it as a weapon against everyone around them.

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                It is just public shaming in an age where it is almost impossible to control information getting, and/or being spread, around at a scale that wasn’t thought possible until my lifetime.

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                  I totally have a great example but the Cancel Police deleted their name from my brain with their flouride lasers or something

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                  How about the random people harassed/shamed for the great sin of… spreading their legs on the bus? People were absolutely psychotic in their zeal to attack anyone they could for any reason they could conceive.

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                the damage it did to society as a whole has been incalculable

                Ok, that’s hilarious 😂. A few edgy comedians had a rough patch and now Rome is burning!

                I think society will survive any misapplications of cancelling. There is no need to worry.

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                This guy is a bad example. Can we have this debate when it’s someone worth the effort? This guy is a huge asshole and I’m willing to ‘no contest’ his cancelling.

                Fight the next one. I beg you.

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                  I’m responding to the person saying they miss when people had fun on TV. That doesn’t happen anymore because too many vindictive assholes feel empowered to ruin people’s lives without a second thought in our current culture.

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      I think he’s saner than Trump. Because Alex Jones doesn’t really believe the shit he says. But Trump is narcissistic to a level where he would take down the world him if he has no more options to “win”.

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    Ironically, Biden assassinating him would be cool and legal according to SCOTUS.

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      🤓umm, excuse me, the SCOTUS rule doesn’t make things legal; they stay illegal, but the POTUS will not be held accountable for them.

      isn’t that SO MUCH better‽

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        No, it just has to be within the duties of the president – official business – How could POTUS doing a military order not be official business ? Whose business would that be other than the leader of the military?

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          Yeah, but if he does it and gets charged for this abuse of power, it will probably be tried before the Supreme Court, meaning they’ll get to ratify whether it actually was official business.

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            Except no it wouldn’t because he wielded power exclusive to the office of president therefore it is considered an official act and his motives cannot even be investigated to find out if it was an abuse of power.

            The degree to which the Supreme Court has fucked the US with this ruling is hard to understate.

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        Yeah, and the current traitor majority would make up whatever bullshit to not do that, regardless of how tight a corner they’ve tried to paint themselves into with the decision.

        But Biden could just assassinate them, too. And then there’d be nobody left to object.

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          Not really, controlling the military is very explicitly an “official act” as stated in the verdict. Biden could literally seal team 6 him with no legal consequences

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            The other recent catastrophic decision, the one overturning Chevron deference, flushed stare decisis right down the shitter.

            When I say they “make up whatever bullshit,” I mean they really make up whatever bullshit!

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              At this point they might as well just say, “Any Republican president who toes the party line is immune from prosecution because we say so. Yeah, we’re blatantly partisan, what are you gonna do about it? We’re appointed for life, and you’ll never have enough Democrats in Congress to impeach us. LOL!”

              I’d still hate them, but I’d also appreciate the honesty.

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        That can be easily solved by first assassinating any members of SCOTUS who would rule the assassinations to not be official business

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    “Will the Deep State assassinate Biden if he refuses to leave?”

    This is the full title of the podcast episode. It doesn’t tell us until the very, very bottom of that article.

    Also, Alex Jones can eat shit. That is all.

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      I’m of the opinion that we defined it several thousand years ago, in some form at least.

      https://howtobeastoic.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/one-crucial-word/

      Belangia helpfully adds: “A-gnoia means literally ‘not-knowing’; a-mathia means literally ‘not-learning.’ In addition to the type of amathia that is an inability to learn, there is another form that is an unwillingness to learn. … Robert Musii in an essay called On Stupidity, distinguished between two forms of stupidity, one he called ‘an honorable kind’ due to a lack of natural ability and another, much more sinister kind, that he called ‘intelligent stupidity.'”

      Belangia also quotes Glenn Hughes, from an essay entitled “Voegelin’s Use of Musil’s Concept of Intelligent Stupidity in Hitler and the Germans,” providing a further elucidation of the concept of amathia (italics in the original):

      “The higher, pretentious form of stupidity stands only too often in crass opposition to [its] honorable form. It is not so much lack of intelligence as failure of intelligence, for the reason that it presumes to accomplishments to which it has no right … The stupidity this addresses is no mental illness, yet it is most lethal; a dangerous disease of the mind that endangers life itself. … [S]ince the ‘higher stupidity’ consists not in an inability to understand but in a refusal to understand, any healing or reversal of it will not occur through rational argumentation, through a greater accumulation of data and knowledge, or through experiencing new and different feelings … We may say that the reversal of a spiritual sickness must entail a spiritual cure.”

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        Willful ignorance is the greatest sin. I’ve been saying that for a while now, not that I believe in sin.

        COVID was a real eye opener for me. Seeing how far people would go to remain ignorant.

        Stupid can’t be helped and there is nothing wrong with it. Ignorance is different and not necessarily bad, if you see that you’re ignorant about something, you can choose to educate yourself.

        However, willful ignorance is a different thing. I believe that most of society’s ills are rooted in willful ignorance and its exploitation by the evil.

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          not that I believe in sin

          It’s perfectly legitimate to have the concept of sin, even if you don’t believe in a deity. There’s a moral code, whether defined by religious precepts, societal convention, personal preference,or objective logic, and evil is a sin against that regardless.

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          However, willful ignorance is a different thing. I believe that most of society’s ills are rooted in willful ignorance and its exploitation by the evil.

          “Wisdom alone, is the good for man, ignorance the only evil” (Euthydemus 281d)

          “There is, he said, only one good, that is, knowledge, and only one evil, that is, ignorance” (in Diogenes Laertius, II.31)

          Personally I believe in the statement about “a spiritual disease needing a spiritual cure”, but I’m not going for some spiritual mumbojumbo. If we take the spiritual disease to be some sort of block in your empathic abilities, however conscious or unconscious, and then we look at some of the most recent studies on empathogens (MDMA, LSD, psilocybin, etc), it wouldn’t be unreasonable to suggest that the “spiritual cure” might be something as simple as MDMA/psychedelic-assisted therapy.

          Maybe we could call looking into this something like "Project Pretty-obvious-when-you-think-about-it "

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      He has a “freakishly large neck” (his words) that prevents him from getting enough oxygen when he sleeps. When he was young he spent hours under a house with insecticide spray in the air. I’m sure there are other tidbits in forgetting, but suffice it to say that you’re underselling him by saying he has “a” yet to be defined mental disorder.

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        Possibly. I think he really lacks an ability to see how his attention seeking habits negatively affect others, and I don’t think he’s quite capable of having it explained to him.

        I feel like something broke in his brain when he got fuck you money for doing good investigative journalism in the early 90s.

        Like his brain went “oh okay. Just tell people how they’re being manipulated and you get a free ride.” and he’s been stuck there ever since. And his tales of how we’re being manipulated grew taller and taller.

        It’s like some attention seeking shit mixed with a super low IQ. Idk.

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        I’m of the opinion that the car-based society in the States throughout the 50s to the 90s is the reason they’re all fucked in the head due to lead poisoning from gas fumes

        So yes, heavy metal poisoning

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          That might explain some of the boomer problems. Jones is a gen-xer though, we had phased lead based fuel out of almost everything by the time he was growing up.

          He very well could have eaten lead paint chips as a kid though. His supplements have also been tested and shown to contain unhealthy amounts of lead.

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        Exactly. It doesn’t make sense because it’s a grift. These “pundits” are getting rich by scaring ignorant people.

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          We are all so distracted with our own problems we allow the wolves to run rampant. It’s quite sad.

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        Exactly, it’s akin to a dog pushing a button to get a treat, he’ll push it more and more often if it works. Except in this case the button is what gets his fans engaged and the treat is money.

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    This guy really likes to dig himself into the stupid hole any chance he gets, huh?

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    I guess Biden should just have him assassinated since he is clearly a threat to his ability to perform his presidential duties. Surely this is what the SCOTUS was referring to when they made that ruling.

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        Still amazed that SCOTUS gave an opinion that literally permits POTUS to have them executed.

        They only have the gall to do that because they believe Biden won’t abuse it and Trump will win.

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      We joke about this stuff. But when you stack up how Palestinian protesters on college campuses or BLM organizers in Ferguson and Baltimore or Quakers protesting the Iraq War were treated relative to a real live active guy with deep ties to domestic terrorist groups, its mind-boggling how little actually happens to the shock jock crowd.

      Its not like Presidents are shy about straight up assassinating political dissidents, whether they are American Islamists and their families living abroad or Civil Rights leaders in Chicago and Philly. So how do these far-right types get to run nationally syndicated Radio Rwanda uninterrupted for decades across multiple administrations with no more than a polite knock at the door?

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        “[…] or Civil Rights leaders in Chicago and Philly.”

        Just a reminder that the Philadelphia police bombed a home and killed 11 American citizens. The resulting fire burnt most of the houses on that block.

        “Philadelphia police dropped two explosive devices from a helicopter onto the roof of a house occupied by MOVE. The Philadelphia Police Department allowed the resulting fire to burn out of control, destroying 61 previously evacuated neighboring homes over two city blocks and leaving 250 people homeless. Six adults and five children were killed in the attack, with one adult and one child surviving.”