Vance is one of Trump’s most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.
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Vance has said that it would be “completely irresponsible” for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.
“Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you’re gonna have a peace deal, because that’s the only way out of the conflict,” Vance said in February.
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I’ve been on the outside observing this escalating shit show for 8 years now and I think I’ve finally reached the point where I don’t even have the words to convey what I feel about the current state of American politics.
I mean, I know there’s a lot of history behind it etc., but just the past months? I don’t even…
I hope shit gets better for ya’ll, I sincerely do.
Putin is behind all of it
I’m Finnish, so if there’s one thing I’m aware of it is Putin and his various machinations.
He’s not. He didn’t put a gun to the head of the judges que made the president immune to prosecution. He didn’t punt a gun to the politicians denying climate change. He didn’t call on Trump’s followers to storm the US capitol. All of that was the US and it’s people.
Putin was probably just cheerleading his puppets as it all happened. But make no mistake, seeds only grow in fertile soil.
Don’t worry about it, a lot of us in the US feel the same. I’m just tired, boss.
Don’t worry. It won’t. As an American, I too have reached that point as well.
Still rooting for all the millions of you that I know are awesome people, but …yeah.
don’t even have the words to convey what I feel about the current state of American politics.
It’s just fascism, volks.
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Without NATO we’d have said bye bye to Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and maybe Poland
Remember, if russia does it, it is NOT:
- Facist.
- Imperialism.
The irony of someone with the handle anticolonialist spouting talking points in favour of an imperialist land grab where they are literally creating colonies of Russians along the corridor of Ukrainian land between Russia and Crimea is just beautiful.
No one is supporting anything like that. If the US would stay out of everyone else’s business the world would be a much better place
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Go away
I’m not going anywhere. I will call out US imperialism and colonialism every chance that I get and I will stand against anybody defending that imperialism.
Russia invades its neighbour, unprovoked, explicitly to seize their agreed sovereign territory
“Why would America do this?”
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So tired of your repeated misinfornation and outright propaganda. You’re done here.
https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer
I mean, that’s straight up not true lol
Your claim is that Ukraine - while not at war - was bombing itself? And that would be a legitimate casus belli for Russia to invade them, and then seize that territory for themselves?
That’s a batshit insane take
Oh silly me, your argument is even worse than I thought!
So the “bombing the Donbas” you’re talking about is the previous time Russia declared an unprovoked war against them!
“Russia had to invade, because last time they invaded, the Ukrainians fought back. Those bastards!”
Edit: as an aside, you somehow still managed to be entirely wrong, despite not even saying anything in your reply directly - the internet isn’t free, it’s extraordinarily expensive to run, and costs the consumer to use their ISP, too!
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Though your misinformation campaign is off to a VERY good start, I’m afraid that it bodes badly for anyone taking you seriously enough to consider anything you say as resembling a point, let alone a good one.
My favorite was when you tried to say that Pelosi and Schiff demanded that Biden step down, and when I proved you wrong with direct quotes-
You ran away.
I didnt think I ever said anything about Schiff or Pelosi, and after going over my history I was right. If you have not caught on I could not care less what someone else thinks of me.
Ahhhh… right. That wasn’t you. I get you all confused. Same message, same….
Anyway-
It was you though, that admitted you were here to disrupt an election. Haven’t forgotten that part.
And it’s just as stupid.
The disrupting election bullshit is your terminology. I’m simply telling people they don’t have to vote for a fascist. They should feel entitled to vote who they want to see in government. They should not feel trapped into a duopoly that does not represent their interests
Oh come on now… don’t try and paint over it. What you said was:
I actively encourage anyone to withhold a vote from Trump or Biden
Actively- Encourage.
You are urging people to NOT to vote.
THAT IS DISRUPTING AN ELECTION.
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Yeah according to that guy we must demilitarize when we have a big crazy neighbor who wants to swallow us all. Great idea /s
I don’t know why my comment got deleted by that pathetic loser moderator, I essentially said I agreed with them.
Good thing it wasn’t as Putin has shown Russia is still a threat to innocent nations who aren’t protected by NATO membership.
NATO has already told Ukraine they will not get NATO membership because they are too corrupt. The exact same rhetoric that every nation on Earth called Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion.
Gee, I wonder if there were any major shake-ups in the Ukrainian government circa 2014 that could have explained this change in tune.
Ukraine wasn’t able to join NATO because of active territorial disputes regarding Russia’s 2014 illegal annexation of Crimea. The 2022 invasion and intervening Russian-backed fighting in Donestk and Luhansk were naked imperial land grabs trying to force Ukraine back into the Russian sphere of influence despite their democratic processes repeatedly trying to move towards the EU.
Or in simpler terms, imperialism is actually still bad when Russia does it and it’s weird that you don’t seem to understand that.
democratic processes
“Democracic processes,” you mean seizing power through force in a coup and then banning major opposition parties.
Even Yanukovich had been trying to push for EU membership, AKA the guy who was the target of the so-called coup you’re bitching about. He had to shift gears when Putin’s attitude changed and he could no longer split the two, but the whole “euro” part of Euro Maidan was about the sudden shift away from the EU.
Cool. Corruption is inheritance from russia and nomenclatura.
Are we liking them facts?
The topic at hand is Ukraine
So because they are corrupt they have to surrender to Russia and the West isn’t allowed to help them defend themselves? That’s like saying that a person deserves to get shot by the police just because he has a criminal record.
Also the EU already approved Ukraine’s candidate status for accession and accession negotiations officially opened this year. So if Ukraine does things right they will be a member of the EU in ten years give or take. Guess what article 42.7 in the Treaty of Lisbon is. It’s a mutual defensive clause. So end of the day they wil be protected by the bloc whether they are a NATO member or not.
Good. No more war. No more foreign aid. We need to focus on Americans and America.
Last time we did that we had 2 world wars back to back
Can you expand on that? Seems conflicting.
A policy of no war, no foreign aid and especially focusing on America and everything in it… how did that lead to world wars?
I’ll answer the “why would it now lead to disaster” part, and by shuffling names, places, & contexts around I believe much of that can be obliquely backported to the same question with respect to runup to the world wars of yore.
USA’s multi-decade cultural imperialism and dogged pursuit of economic hegemony led to it imposing itself as a global barometer and gatekeeper (despite being famously incompetent at both). The upshot is that now, even though philosophically it would be wonderful for the US to finally stop enforcing a petrodollar-driven serfdom on so much of the world in the name of “infinite (US economic) expansion”, pragmatically speaking a magical and abrupt “pull out” would be wildly irresponsible, much like yanking an arrow out of a wound in the direction from which it entered (causing a Jackson Pollock’s worth of collateral damage). That would largely be because the sudden power vacuum would not be able to be filled in time by other countries (who are under-resourced due to aforementioned hegemonic squeezing), leaving not enough people to “not tolerate the intolerant”, leading to explosive expansion of the “ignorant bullies masquerading as politicians” brigade (not unlike Hitler’s opportunistic power-grab while the politicians who should have been the ballwark against him hubristically sat on their hands). See: https://www.ournationalconversation.org/post/explaining-the-paradox-of-tolerance
Well, the U.S. doesn’t have to worry about enforcing the petro-dollar, because the Global South is pulling away from the petro-dollar. The U.S. is going to have to start looking into opening up those oil reserves that Biden closed and bringing jobs back to America that were exported to other nations. Self sufficiency, at least more so than current, needs to be the goal. The world, outside of the Western World, is turning its back on the U.S. and rightfully so… sooner or later so too will the Western Powers turn their backs on the U.S.
I agree though that an abrupt pullout like Biden did in Afghanistan is a stupid fkin idea and should be done gracefully.
Manufacturing jobs, and most other low wage jobs, never left the US. That is a lie fed to you by your wage slave masters. The US currently manufactures 300% more products than we did in 1972 which was the last year of the golden age of the 20th century US. The wage slave masters automated those jobs, so we do triple the production with 1/100 the workforce.
We are already self sufficient. Isolationism will not help any of your stated goals, and will cause global instability.
So I work in the IT industry… almost everything IT related, some portion of it has been exported overseas. Same goes for the customer service industry.
Sounds like you need unions. One of the many reasons I left IT was the complete lack of unions.
It’s not mutually exclusive, which of his policies are actually focusing on Americans?
He still wants to send all the aid Israel will not ever want to commit genocide.
Unfortunately the U.S. belongs to Israel.
And fkin lol @ people downvoting:
No more war.
No more foreign aid.
We need to focus on Americans and America.
Holy moly, some of yall are insufferable.
If you think US can sustain itself without foreign products, you’re high on your own farts. Open a window to the basement, get some fresh air.
I never said anything about trade… wtf lol
Holy shit, can you not think just one little step ahead?
You jumped to the conclusion that I’m asking for some kind of self imposed trade embargo. You’re pretending to, “think one little step ahead”… you fkin with a game of checkers, I’m on 4D Chess. GTFO. lmao
Yeah. I can see you’re not the sharpest hoe in the shed.
Playing 4D chess… As the pigeon.
we heard you the first time. get down voted twice ig
Lmao, living in a glass house during a hail.
“Let’s focus on not getting hit”
Vance doesn’t want that, he just wants out of this particular conflict so he can start shit somewhere else.
God forbid.
Yes, it would be bad to start another war somewhere else.
Putins favorite, JD Vance.
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Can you imagine this clown being president when the rapist with 34 felonies is deemed unfit for office or has a McHeartattack?
Its very easy to see that Putin is running the GOP.
At this point it looks like they are competing on who in the GOP can suck up to the russians the most
All I need to see is that beard / haircut
And the eyeliner
Yes, that’s kind of a pre-requisite to being on Putin’s payroll…
He’s clearly on Peter Theil’s payroll. Theil personally bankrolled Vance’s senate campaign and was the only one Theil funded that was successful.
If you keep making up conspiracy theories that every Republican takes orders from Putin, you’re going to miss their actual agenda. Shit like Project2025 isn’t Putin’s agenda. Thats a Koch project. Theil’s got his own techno libertarian eugenicist project that Vance is an acolyte of.
how does he always look like he’s like 3 days into a binge drinking session?
Sound about right. No need to fund this slaughter.
When a war will break out on your land, don’t fight back, don’t ask for help. Surrender everything to anyone, because you don’t want a slaughter even if it means getting everything stolen, including your freedom, your identity and your civil liberties, right?
He unironically probably will when the magats come for him and his own
Ukraine should fight back. Americans shouldn’t fund war. See how easy this is?
So should Poland, the Baltics, Germany and so on? The whole Europe should crumble to the US’ enemies? How can it be in the American best interest?
The EU can fund its own wars?
So now all EU countries need to develop and store their own nuclear weapons since the nuclear umbrella provided by the U.S. is gone. This would be the largest proliferation of nukes in generations.
The US has agreements to defend their allies. Ukraine isn’t an ally.
Why hand an easy win to putin so that he can continue rolling over democracies and vomiting more genocides in order to use their populations to further destroy democracies and commit more cultural genocides? Do you want as many authoritarian countries as possible?
You have no idea what Putin’s goal is so don’t pretend as if you have some deep insight. The EU can fund its own wars.
Just what Putin has allowed his state run media to say. Ukraine is not a real country and others are next. They also want Alaska back so that needs to be given up immediately to prevent bloodshed right?
Source?
I’m not going to show you how to use a search engine but here is the first of many examples after seconds of searching.
They’re only in danger because we took their nukes. They literally left themselves defenseless under the agreement that we would serve as their alternative.
Do you actually believe that Americans are singlehandedly funding Ukraine’s defence?
You bring up an excellent point. America doesn’t have to provide further support, because they aren’t single handedly funding Ukraine.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
Fighting back makes them a terrorist.
Unless the land is strategically advantageous to America then they are freedom fighters.
Forgot the /s?
Hey but both sides suck and it’s not worth voting this year.
This is Trump’s exact stance as well. He’s been VERY clear about this, but idiots in the conservative camp seem to deliberately ignore it.
"Non interventionist
“Fully supports israel”
Meme candidates gonna meme
I’m not complaining. Only way I’d be happier with his VP pick is if he took up Rubio and forced him to give up Florida.
Vance is also a snake and he’ll backstab the orange man at some point most likely.
Vance is a cuck. He was a harsh critic of Trump until he wasn’t.
I don’t see how Vance gets Trump any extra votes. They appear to attract the same kind of people.
If they win, it gets Vance out of my state. Which is fine (I voted for Tim Ryan).
Vance is there so Trump can scapegoat him for handing Putin everything he wants, that’s about it.
Vance is a cuck.
Politics aside, are we shaming people for their sexual kinks now, if they’re not harming anybody?
Yes.
I’ll give you whatever answer you want in the hopes you’ll go away.
Those who want to ban my kinks should not have theirs respected
Unless their kink id humiliation, then theyre 100% valid
Ordinarily yes, but the second you try to ban porn or gay people, your fetishes no longer deserve respect and neither do you.
The joke was that people with a humiliation kink would want to be disparaged, so “respecting” them is giving them not what they want
if they’re not harming anybody?
Funny that you think people like J.D. Vance aren’t harming people…
Politics aside
Fuck off.
