- Trump and his supporters are slamming Joe Biden for quitting the race and endorsing Kamala Harris.
- Some members of MAGA world are bemoaning the millions of dollars spent running against Joe Biden.
- Biden’s withdrawal also means Trump is now the oldest candidate in the presidential race.
I can’t believe all those stupid anti-biden truck decals etc will be rendered pointless in a matter of months. I better start making anti-Kamala decals if i want to properly capitalize on these next 4 years 🤑
Edit: cry into your fuckin ear-squares ya bunch of sad sacks
Their favorite cheap Chinese manufacturers are already on it, ready to take more of their money.
You can still cash in. There always needs to be the middle man in that scenario, buy em for $3 each. Sell em for $20 at flea markets and fairs.
I’m not interested in generating fascist, environment-polluting junk though.
Yeah, but it’ll take a few weeks for those to get here on the slow boat from China.
In fairness… a lefty could make bank on anti Kamala stickers (that secretly hide they are too her but only people who finished school would notice)
Those people aren’t going to let go of their anti-Biden identity that easily, we will probably still see those decals for years.
Maybe they will start to realize the persistent election cycle is not a good thing. I would love to see a ban on all election campaigning until 90 days before said election but that wouldn’t get past a 1st amendment challenge.
Lets start by putting a cap on how much money can be spent on campaigns and keep it at a very minimal level.
Sounds good. We’ll just need to re-do Citizens United with fewer than 5 fully regressive appointees purchased by billionaires.
That’ll never work, big donors will just hide it or do the advertising themselves unrelated of course
Start by eliminating superPACs.
Cap it at like $30. You can run an ad in the student newspaper of your choice.
If it’s robust enough that it actually limits campaign spending without loopholes, then that alone might do it. Campaigns would have to use their funds more strategically, and the best time to spend is in the weeks before an election, not a year out.
Just do publicly funded elections, including things like publicly funded frequent small debates where the candidates had to appear as reasonably competent adults who could defend their ideas, and resurrect some of the regulations like the fairness doctrine and caps on media consolidation
The dogshit quality of the current election coverage is mostly a problem because it is the only type of coverage that is available. I think if there was a widely available and well funded type of election coverage that wasn’t this cash grab horse race ad supported bullshit, the bullshit would have to compete against it and would lose and improve as a result.
That sounds like socialism or something!
How about publicly funded elections and limits on campaigning more than 90 days before an election?
If you limit when the public funds are dispersed, then there won’t be much campaigning outside that time frame.
So they are basically admitting that their whole campaign argument was “Biden is bad Trump is not Biden” and now that he is gone, the argument is invalid. After all if it was a campaign mostly about Trump’s positive qualities (in their perspective) then it should not have really mattered who the opposition is.
The problem with Trump being a talentless orange idiot is that the only quality he had was being younger than Biden.
Which was like twins that argue over who’s older.
Maybe they should have spent time and money promoting their candidate instead of attacking the other
Policies don’t sell in the current political climate. It has been all about Trump vs not Trump since 2016.
Oh, I understand, but if was still their strategy choice.
I was thinking this when everyone was saying it’s too late to change candidates. While that might have been true if a campaign consisted of promoting people’s positives, that’s not what it is. It’s all about finding the dirt on the other and switching candidates late just means there has been less shit talked.
That and attacking the ideas, not the person.
This is really what it boils down to. But with Trump there is nothing to promote. The only way they can win is by ruining the reputation of their opponent to try to make them look worse.
But it doesn’t matter if he had nothing to promote. He’s not above lying. This was just a bad decision on their part. Even if biden hadn’t dropped out, there’s no guarantee that a man that age will be here in four months.
He’s not above lying.
Lying is one of the things he has a lot of practice doing.
He’s not very good at it, though, he contradicts his lies with other lies on a regular basis.
In the same sentence even.
What about hunters laptop? That’s still going to be a huge deal right? Right??
Didn’t you know Kamala let her tamagotchi die 30 years ago? Do you know where that tamagotchi has been buried? You might not know about this, but everyone is talking about this. But they don’t because they are too scared to talk about it. A lot of good people. They talk about it. And the world is laughing at us. The good people talking about this are too scared to talk because the world is laughing.
The best people tell me Hillary Clinton had a tamagotchi just like it. So sad. So sad.
Rumour has it she used it for e-mail.
Have they looked for it on that underground pizza place? All them libruls have secret meetings in there, for realsies!
Kalama has stepchildren. They are about to be dragged through the mud.
I said the exact same thing this morning to a coworker. They have no policies, just hate.
Project 2025 tends to disagree
True. Their policies are so bad they have to disavow them…
Except to the right audience they are extremely proud of them. Yes overall their policies are unpopular but they aren’t without support
Sure - but they don’t need to win those folks votes
What’s the point here? I’m trying to point out the very real danger they represent. Are you really going to downplay that danger? This is how we lost roe v wade
Whoa…I agree with you. And I’m not sure why what I said upset you. I am just speaking in the context of the discussion of the post which is campaign strategy.
We need to shout about Project 2025 from the rooftops because it’s so toxic the Trump campaign wants it to stay hidden.
It’s that they don’t need to be won over. They are going to vote for Trump regardless.
That seems like a hatred manifesto more than policy.
Call it what you want. The document is very clearly full of harmful policy goals.
Yeah, it’s not a difficult concept
Oh no, all of their bots will have to be reprogrammed.
I’m having a blast trolling Trump supporters on Instagram. They’re short fusing right now.
Post screenshots as Lemmy content!
Yeah, post them here: insanepeoplefacebook@lemmy.world
I need this in my life please
Bots and trolls in shambles right now
It’s why they’re all so quiet now.
Incidentally, there’s a bunch of people on Lemmy really mad that they can’t tell everyone not to vote for Biden anymore. They’ll tell us not to vote for whoever is going to be his replacement though.
You ignore the rest of us who have, weird to only pretend one side exists
I guess I wasn’t talking about you then, was I?
But do please explain why I shouldn’t have ignored the people I wasn’t criticizing when I was criticizing another group. Is this some weird ‘both sides’ thing?
It’s an easy way to group all of someone together and pretend that everyone was the same, when we aren’t.
You pretend like there are only a few people who are like me and that the vast aren’t.
I insinuated no such thing.
Everything they already pinned on Joe (like mainly Israel) they can pin on her because she was part of the same administration. Plus they will now also point at things from her past, like history as a criminal prosecutor, and blame her for that as well. Since that won’t align with progressive criminal reform agenda. And they might call her a race traitor as well, just for good measure. Should be interesting to see what the tankies and communists come up with.
Your argument is bizarre. Please explain why someone wouldn’t use “things from her past” to inform their vote. You use the word “blame” as though she is a victim of her own decisions.
I don’t know a single communist who would call someone a race traitor. That’s nuts and your anger is very misdirected.
I’m not angry about anything. And I’m not sure where you see anger in my post (and therefore how it could be directed at anyone.) I’m making an observation based on what I see here on Lemmy. I even state it will be interesting to see what some lemmies will come up with. No anger here pal. Just observations.
Things from the past are worth knowing for sure but what’s important are her goals now, her administration, and her platform overall.
Eh, their new dissent orders seem to be “Biden can’t appoint Harris! I didn’t vote for her!” which, of course, displays a total lack of knowledge about what primaries are and what the DNC is.
They didn’t want Biden to run, and now they mysteriously don’t want the person most of the party supports to run either.
Right? It’s almost as if they’ve never been approaching any of this in good faith.
You’re telling me someone would just go on the internet an lie?
It’s a massive social hub with influence on all the worlds information. What possible motivation could someone have try to influence people by faking accounts and make bad faith arguments?
Sorry, it just doesn’t add up. Now, you’ve interrupted me hitting myself in the head repeatedly with a hammer and this brain damageisnthgomr e
I’m seeing a lot of “wHat AbOuT A pRimArY” already from the usual bad actors.
Get ready to repeat this: “The Biden of today is not the Biden who was voted for in the primaries.” Even Biden himself acknowledged that by stepping aside as candidate!
The uptick in those types of accounts makes this site start to feel like 2016 reddit 😂. Lemmy has become large enough to justify investment of bots to brigade and astroturf; we’ve made it!
Someone should start a Lemmy.ru instance with communities like /c/kremlin or maybe /c/remlin
Almost like they want Trump to win, hmmmmmm
displays a total lack of knowledge
Well we are talking about right wingers here, kinda par for the course. :P
I’ve seen iterations of “the Democrats stabbed Biden in the back!” too many times on here over the past 24 hours for it to be a coincidence
Already happening. They’re testing the waters to see what’s going to stick.
And her past as a prosecutor, and the fact that she lost the primary 4 years ago, and her laugh. In addition to yours, that’s all I’ve seen so far. They ran “Heels up Harris” into the ground several years ago, but I do think it will make a return at some point. It was a shit insult but so are the others they’re trying to use.
Really all they have is a terrible legal gambit to try to keep her off ballots. That one is laughably bad. No deadlines have passed. The idiot at the front of the House said something stupid. I would hammer that until election day. “The Republicans did their best to keep us off the ballot because they hate freedom and democracy. They don’t want you to have a choice. And Trump endorsed Harris. Here’s the check.”
She also said something hard to understand about coconuts. Don’t forget that one. That means something or other.
Now they’re panicking and can’t decide if she’s unlikable or if she’s the “whacky aunt” entertaining everyone at the barbecue.
I went to the other place to check TFGs meltdown tweets or truths or turds or whatever they call them and I was not disappointed. He is asking for his money back because the attack ads they’ve purchased were against Joe.
I just ran into them trying to promote Jill stein in another thread lol
This Jill Stein?
Hmm…
RFK has been abandoned.
He wormed his own way out.
It’s pretty hard to argue in favor of the brain worms guy.
To be fair, though, even with literal brain damage, he’s still not the worst candidate on the ballot.
A steaming pile of Biden’s dogs shit would be a better candidate than Dementia Don, the racist rapist with 34 felonies that can’t complete a coherent sentence.
there’s a bunch of people on Lemmy really mad that they can’t tell everyone not to vote for Biden anymore.
is there any evidence for this claim at all?
Ozma in pieces right now…
You’d think so, but they already have moved on to “don’t vote for Harris” posts.
Why am I not surprised…
I actually was curious about it, so I looked over his posts, and it’s all over the place. Pro-Marianne Williamson, anti-Nancy Pelosi, pro-open convention and by implication anti-“coronation”, criticizing Harris for not being LBGTQ friendly enough…
Actually. You know what, it’s not really all that all over the place. 🙂 It’s just a little bit subtle with the consistent anti-Harris / anti-Democrat message, from different angles, enough so that I didn’t really pick up on it until I started typing them out.
Also I notice Marianne Williamson is starting to edge out Cornel West as the nonsensical candidate to support instead of the candidate that might be able to win the election
What is ozma?
Oh yeah I’ve been called a fascist already because I said I’d vote for Harris and that while she isn’t the best candidate she will be leagues better than Biden imo.
You know what I’m not seeing?
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
ALL of the tentative happiness about Harris maybe being a stronger candidate than Biden was, is coming from people who were either neutral or defending Biden before. The people who were giving a firehose of criticism to Biden and demanding that it was MANDATORY for him to step down, for the good of the Democrats and the country, have for the most part fallen silent, and a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
Right here!
Wasn’t rabid before, but I was one of those for Biden stepping down in favor of Kamala. I just wanted a strong voice that was capable of at least countering Trump’s endless spew of lies. But I have noticed those that are now bashing Kamala were also telling people not to vote for Biden.
Bots gonna bot
I’m happy AF.
Biden’s legacy is secure. He can rest easy as the man who beat back the right-wing fascist autocracy and led the country to elect the first female president. 🤞
Even though I agree with you I would suggest not pushing the first woman president angle. There’s already plenty of dumbasses saying that she shouldn’t be elected because she’s a woman, including 2 of my women coworkers. One is a republican and the other a Democrat, both boomers too.
Let’s just push the competent angle.
I am one of those accounts who wanted Biden to step aside. Not because I dislike him but because he was going to lose. Now I have hope. I’ve been smiling since Saturday afternoon.
You know my history regarding Biden. Go on, check my history since Biden did the right thing and dropped out. I’m still posting and not so much as an unkind word about Harris. Biden did the right thing. The party did the right thing. I’m overjoyed that for the first fucking time in far too goddamned long, Democrats listened instead of digging in their heels and demanding votes, every pore reeking of entitled paternalist condescension.
You were wrong. Your shitty candidate bowed out like you didn’t want him to, and just look. The party has very much gotten in line behind Kamala. The predicted chaos and infighting hasn’t happened. She’s had the best fundraising in US history simply by being the understudy who was present at the time and not being Biden.
The people who were giving a firehose of criticism to Biden and demanding that it was MANDATORY for him to step down, for the good of the Democrats and the country, have for the most part fallen silent
Have you considered that it’s because they’re finally satisfied? At least for now? Harris is a reasonable compromise candidate. Biden wasn’t, and he listened to reason and bowed out. We’re better for it.
a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
Democrats are a big tent. Some of us don’t like genocide. Some of us don’t like cops. Some of us don’t like either. Harris is in a better position to distance herself from past actions than Biden was about ongoing actions.
She ran on full cannabis legalization in 2020 and was a sponsor of the Justice in Policing Act of 2020. It ain’t gonna stick.
I’m glad Biden dropped out.
Are you?
Have you considered that most if not all people were supporting Biden because they were doing what they could to save democracy? That maybe they weren’t voting for Biden, but against Trump?
Of course you have. I’ve seen people actually tell you this first-hand- only for you to rewrite their shit and spit it back out as something entirely different. Because that’s what you do.
You see, the rest of us are wiling to do whatever it takes to save those who WILL be hurt by Trump should he get elected. We’re not entitled and arrogant enough to think we have the luxury to not vote.
But that’s because we’re mature adults that understand that merely asking for something isn’t all it takes to get it. We also understand that sometimes, the choices suck, and the lesser of two evils is all you have- and that not doing something isn’t an option when you’re wanting the opposite result of nothing to happen.
Grow up.
Have you considered that most if not all people were supporting Biden because they were doing what they could to save democracy?
Now that he’s dropped out and the party has enthusiastically lined up behind a better candidate, it’s clear that their insistence on an octogenarian genocide supporter ran contrary to that goal, and that everyone who called for Biden to step down was absolutely right.
I’m glad Biden did the right thing. You wanted him to stay in and lose.
You see, the rest of us are wiling to do whatever it takes to save those who WILL be hurt by Trump should he get elected.
Except call for the guy who was losing to him to step the fuck aside. Now that he has, we’re more likely to beat Trump. You would have preferred to lose with Bidenyahu.
But that’s because we’re mature adults that understand that merely asking for something isn’t all it takes to get it.
We got what we wanted by asking. Your shit candidate stepped down and we now have a candidate who can beat Trump. Now get in line and vote blue no matter who.
Oh yeah, and you’re doing a shit job of ignoring me.
Yeah, they can’t take two seconds to enjoy the victory they wanted. They have to move on to the next thing to bitch and moan about.
That’s not true! I danced a jig when we found out. I was voting against Trump but now I am voting for Harris.
Several others are not. Including a person who has been posting anti-Biden articles in this community for months, who has now switched to anti-Harris articles.
They didn’t want Biden to step down. They wanted him running against Trump and losing.
Nope, I just wanted his Israel supporting ass gone, she’ll probably do the same, but I KNOW he will
Pretty much. That way when Trump won, they could say “see? We told you so!”
Much more important than them or people they might care about getting marched into camps.
Nope just didn’t want bomb em Biden there
You already told me in another post that you’re not celebrating this and have moved on to Harris.
bomb em Biden
- Takes too long to even figure out
- Not really all that punchy
- “Genocide Joe” is already perfectly serviceable without these drawbacks
- Dude… he’s out of the race now. Why you are even trying out new ways to dunk on Joe at this point is beyond me. Unless you were just excited that you thought of it and wanted to have a chance to apply it before the moment is past even though the moment is, at this point, past
3/10. It’s not, like, a total failure, but there are multiple reasons just not even to use it. Can I recommend “cacklin’ Kamala” instead, as a replacement?
I really liked Genocidin Biden but he turned around and started dropping air packets and at least tried with the pier.
I think he should have driven aid trucks in with one us soldier per truck and said “Dare you.”, but I understand the high risk for loss of life.
He did a lot of good and even worked with the railroad union after he shut down their strike and earned my respect back from that one.
He is either in the shadow years of his life or he has just lost the ability to not seem that way in public.
The man has earned his retirement and now it is our job to try and get her elected.
That sending Israel everything and protecting their asses after what they have done.
A response was required, they unleashed hell on civilians and he continued to support them.
She probably will too, but maybe not.
While I would love someone way more on the “single provder” and new housing, those are long term changes
They listened and now it’s our turn to have their backs.
Exactly.
It’s quite insidious.
Today I’m suddenly seeing a lot of “vote blue no matter who”, which IMO is intended to stifle enthusiasm for Kamala.
If the left could unite behind a candidate we’d destroy the GOP.
Hi there one of those people!
Then I guess you’re only happy if you’re miserable.
Actually I clicked the wrong reply button on this one.
It would be nice to remember happy, but at least now I feel a little heard by my leaders
They never thought it would happen. They shot themselves in both feet with shotguns. Now they’re in panic mode because they’re realizing they’re really fucked now.
lol that’s a really broad extrapolation of what, a few people you saw that happened to post something in the last day? Just boldly labeling anyone who had a criticism of Biden as a bitter troll or something?
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
Really? I’ve seen plenty of posts like that. Stuff like “Donated to the democratic party to show this was necessary”, “Finally, we can safely roast Trump for being old and senile”, “I don’t care who the replacement is, thank god he’s out”.
There are some shit-stirrers, but they seem to be the minority.
Disclaimer: I am not American, cannot vote or donate, am heavily invested in the election due to the ramifications on Ukraine.
Can you link me to them?
You don’t, like, have to, but I am genuinely curious. I haven’t seen that and I am wondering if there is some segment of Lemmy that I am missing.
Just look around this comment section, and other comment sections in !news@lemmy.world and !politicalmemes@lemmy.world
As I said, there’s the occasional commenter that is trying to throw shit at the democratic party generally, but by and large the majority of comments are in favour of this, and if you click through to individual users it’s not hard to find users that were hoping that Biden would drop out a week ago.
They’re waiting on the next talking points from their Russian overlords. Give it a day or so and they’ll be back with some new, yet all the same, arguments.
I was one of them and now am elated to vote for a non-geriatric piece of shit and a woman.
Same
a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
I mean, in both cases people are entitled to their honest opinions. I’m going to vote for her, but I’m not happy about it. Not being happy about her her career pre-whitehouse seems fairly reasonable to me.
“People are entitled to their honest opinions” - but that wasn’t what was happening - a bunch of rightwingers posting as leftwingers were spending a lot of time trying to convince democrats not to vote. They had paragraphs to say about why Biden was terrible but could never find the same level of detail or ire about Trump, whereas someone who was genuinely leftwing would have a lot more to say about Trump than Biden by way of criticism.
Ah right OK, I’ve seen those folks. I think I was reading the tone of the discussion as general frustration with anyone who was dissenting.
Idk how this season is going to end but the writers have definitely been building toward something.
Remember the end of season 1 of “Arcane”, where everything looks like maybe it’s gonna be okay, and then you get to see in slow motion how an unexpected spasm of violence undoes anything good that might have been building, and you know everything’s gonna be bad, bad bad, going forward?
I hope I am wrong
Me, 22 days ago
We’ve never had a pair of candidates this unpopular. (Maybe Trump vs Clinton)
If the Dems had any kind of brains, they absolutely would pick someone else at the convention.
Just not Harris; She might be the only one, less popular than Biden is.At this point, I guess she’s a better pick than Biden, just not by much.
I still want an open convention, and someone else.I think the missing factor to consider is that Biden is unpopular mostly because of the media telling absolute dogshit lies about him like that he was bad for the economy.
Sure, he’s old. But if “elderly” was a disqualifying factor, then “insurrectionist” would be, also. I think the issue is that the media is going in the tank against the progressive, as they tend to do, and that that has the potential to swing against any genuinely decent candidate that the Democrats want to put forward. I sorta hesitate to say that a good answer to that is “okay well let’s just put forward a more corporate friendly candidate who will be ‘popular’ with the people whose perception is shaped by the media.”
But if “elderly” was a disqualifying factor, then “insurrectionist” would be, also.
Those two things are unrelated.
One is a crime, the other is inevitable.But my issue is that nearly all the Democratic elite, are more or less anti-progressive. The only real economic populist thing I know Biden did was appoint Lina Kahn as the FTC chair.
I would love to see her as a candidate! But she chose to be born in England, taking herself out of the running.
The only real economic populist thing I know Biden did was appoint Lina Kahn as the FTC chair.
Half a trillion dollars spent addressing climate change, huge boosts to domestic manufacturing and unions, resulting in big wage gains for the working class outpacing even historic levels of inflation, income inequality actually going down which usually doesn’t happen in the US, big hike in corporate tax by two trillion dollars to pay for all of that
The fact that Biden wasn’t seen as a victory for working people and progressive goals in the US is a sign of how INSANELY counterfactual our media created political reality is
Don’t forget getting Student Loans to be somewhat affordable. 5% of not just your total income, but your disposable income, accounting for basic cost of living. That actually convinced me to step away from my ongoing education and enter loan repayment. A huge deal considering how much loan debt I have…
While I never told anyone not to vote for Biden, I definitely openly bitched about him not being capable of speaking and the absolute joke it is. I’m not a fan of Harris, but my God, a sentient adult is amazing.
Sorta the same here. I didn’t openly say anything and I’m voting blue but when he called Zelensky putin and Kamala trump I internally slumped my shoulders.
Fuck. Them.
MAGAs: Wait, you can do that?
The fact that they’re so mad about this makes me think that Biden was a much weaker incumbent than I realized, and that the choice to replace him was the right one.
You’re really giving them a lot of undue credit in the realm of knowing anything about civics or people.
And maybe withdrawing so late might not be as bad after all. Sure, it’s going to be tough for dems to rework their campaign, but it’s going to be tough for reps as well when their campaign revolved around Biden.
I went hard for Biden because I was genuinely worried there would be chaos in finding a new candidate that would make it impossible to sort it out and run an effective campaign in the time left. It looks like I was wrong and I’m so fucking happy about that.
Harris is the right candidate - part of the same administration, so she can run on the same record which is pretty damn solid. I’m excited for the future.
Some members of MAGA world are bemoaning the millions of dollars spent running against Joe Biden.
Curiously, they’re not mad about the multiple tens of millions of their dollars being spent on Trump’s lawyers.
Good. Let them stay angry.
They should be mad. Biden stands down with a perfect 1-0 record of defeating Trump with no chance of rematch.
Who cares. Report on democratic candidates, strengths, weaknesses, policies, etc. I’m so fucking sick of the “news”
In the blink of an eye, their surplus of hateful anti-Biden merchandise becomes even more useless. This will surely make them realize how idiotic their cult is /s.
The Democrats should have flip-flopped candidates for months, ruining those people with hateful merchandise.
Technically Harris isn’t confirmed yet!
Awww! Well Boo Fucking Hoo for you.
