We want a true black-dark mode for OLED. This missing feature is holding me back from going 100% Firefox on mobile (I am only using it for horrible websites that are asking fo the ublock origin treatment.
2022 request for this feature: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/provide-a-black-dark-mode-in-firefox-mobile/idi-p/2578/page/4#comments
PWA ffs
Do they publish any of the data from these surveys or use it as an excuse to remove more useful features?
“We listen to our community, so now we’re removing
about: configaccess from stable desktop builds to match the mobile version to provide uniform builds, making problems easier to replicate and also provide better security for all. Please use beta or nightly builds for tinkering.”“We found that users wanted AI over a 2x slower browser”
Damn, i was hoping for them to make it slower!
Product managers know what KPI’s they want to improve, and its almost never survey sentiment results. The survey will be used to justify projects that improve the KPIs they already have. Best case scenario it helps them choose what to work on first, worst case (and most likely) it doesn’t matter what the survey says - it’s engineered to justify a pet project.
i.e. Straight out of “how to lie with statistics” - Would you rather drink bleach or add in browser advertisements based on privacy respecting AI categorization of you browsing behavior? … The people have spoken and they OVERWHELMINGLY want more monetization in their browser.
Duh. I’d rather drink bleach.
Honestly it the world gets bad enough it could get that extreme…
All those features, and the only one I want is customizable hotkeys. Although I guess I’d also take “browser is twice as fast.”
Which do you prefer:
( ) browser twice as fast
( ) women find you irresistible
( x) browser twice as fast
( ) women find you irresistible
Faster browser any day…
Yes, I want the most for Firefox to be twice as slow as my current browser (Firefox/Fennec)
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Bizarre survey yeah but also why is there a mandatory exact age question at the end? Isn’t it normal to be able to opt out of demographic questions for surveys? It also lets us say we’d prefer not to say our gender but not our exact year of birth?
How much AI do you want in your browser:
( ) None
( ) Zero
( ) I want my browser to automatically close any page that mentions AI
Which of these options do you prefer:
( ) having an AI assistant integrated into the browser
( ) getting kicked in the balls by elon musk
i guess daddy musk is coming to make my dreams come true
A genuinely tough decision
Well, getting kicked in the balls is a one-time affair, and I’m done having kids anyway, so I’d go with that.
More like
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2x slower browser
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AI
that question seemed directly made by some software dev that shares my opinion lol
i picked 2x slower browser over ai because at least if it is gonna be slower im not gonna be harassed by some amalgamation of every incel shitpost on the Internet
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hi we’re the marketing team and we already decided what we want to do, and we can make up whatever data you want to see for us to justify it!
I didn’t even think what the questionnaire was about, and filled the entire thing. It’s a rare thing to see for a FOSS project to ask what I’m staring at this very moment, how to make it better. But yes, the questionnaire was a bit oddly structured.
What country do you live in: Germany, United States, Brazil, other
What? Weird survey options.
I didn’t see that question, but all 3 of those countries seem to rank pretty high on the country demographics for FOSS that I’ve seen (as in when individual FOSS projects do demographics surveys of their users)
Someone being funny? BUG
Very weird, because it’s not sorted alphabetically. That means there is a bias in the sorting, because the first option is default and the best option for most users.
They are sorted at random for each visitor.
Oh I meant this as a joke, to place Germany as the best answer.^^ But regardless, good to know its random. Probably doesn’t even matter.
𝔅𝔦𝔱𝔱𝔢 𝔣𝔬𝔯𝔪𝔲𝔩𝔦𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔫 𝔖𝔦𝔢 ℑ𝔥𝔯𝔢 𝔎𝔯𝔦𝔱𝔦𝔨 𝔞𝔫 𝔡𝔢𝔯 𝔅𝔲𝔫𝔡𝔢𝔰𝔯𝔢𝔭𝔲𝔟𝔩𝔦𝔨 𝔇𝔢𝔲𝔱𝔰𝔠𝔥𝔩𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔭𝔯ä𝔷𝔦𝔰𝔢 𝔲𝔫𝔡 𝔨𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔯𝔲𝔨𝔱𝔦𝔳. 𝔄𝔫𝔡𝔢𝔯𝔫𝔣𝔞𝔩𝔩𝔰 𝔪ü𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫 𝔴𝔦𝔯 𝔖𝔦𝔢 𝔞𝔲𝔣 𝔢𝔦𝔫𝔢 𝔏𝔦𝔰𝔱𝔢 𝔰𝔢𝔱𝔷𝔢𝔫. 𝔉𝔞𝔵 𝔦𝔰𝔱 𝔴𝔞𝔯𝔪 𝔲𝔫𝔡 𝔟𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔦𝔢𝔟𝔰𝔟𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔱, 𝔜𝔞𝔫𝔨𝔢𝔢.
Data retention would be my guess.
It has always been
could just be the countries with the most users or where they’ve seen a recent trend, up or down, in local market share.
Bring back PWA!!
Sadly, they’re probably thinking mobile.
Yeah, some of these questions made more sense for mobile than desktop. For example, I want to split tabs on desktop, but I don’t on mobile. Likewise, I don’t really care about PWAs on mobile (there’s usually an app with a better experience), but I do care on desktop because that isn’t a thing on my system (Linux).
I think it would’ve been better had they broken them into groups for mobile and desktop.
Desktop PWAs are easy as you can just create a shortcut
Yup. A lot of services don’t offer official apps on Linux, so I rely on webpages.
Nope. A PWA gives you a browser window with no menu bars and the icon of the age vs the browser. It’s treated as a separate entity in your start bar for task switching.
Many of us still use Chromium for that one feature, while using Firefox for everything else.
You can do that with command line arguments
Not with FF. Well, not without massive CSS app customization and separate profiles which is not officially supported.
Yes you can. Try running Firefox --help
No, you cannot. There have been tickets open about this for ages. You are talking about opening a URL, not a PWA.
Don’t PWAs already exist and work on mobile? I think they’d work on desktop PWAs again then
Nope, just shortcuts.
PWAs were a feature I marked “want least”. I don’t like a cluttered home screen, I’d much rather just use bookmarks.
The reason I mention PWA for desktop is very different from mobile, but for either, a PWA can live anywhere, it’s just a menu less browser with the site’s icon vs the firefox one. Handy for sites with no apps that you want to be able to task switch independently for. They dont have to be on a home screen or desktop.
Granted, the wording of the question would make one think so.
Yes, it’s a fancy way to save a tab. I just leave the tab open. Not a feature I want, so not something I want them to waste limited development time on. It’d be nice if it were through the bookmarks interface, so booarks could save state & history the way tabs do, but that’s not what’s proposed so I’d rather not have this. PWAs are a workaround to make up for the limitations of bookmarks.
I took the survey and I didn’t like how they occasionally put all shitty features in a group and I had to pick one I wanted and then followed it with all good stuff in a group and I had to say I didn’t want one.
This the most blizzare survey I have ever seen. What is even happening?
Everyone’s here complaining about the randomised questions when I’m just curious why location options are “Germany”, " Brazil", “USA”, or " Somewhere we don’t care about".
Yeah wtf going on there, what’s Germany, Brazil and USA got the rest of us don’t?
Privacy law considerations. Germany is downright good for its citizens. The US has a round about spying industry. Brazil basically has mandatory mass surveilance. Everyone else’s laws are more or less the same. Not identical. But Mozilla can meet their requirements pretty trivially
Everyone else’s laws are more or less the same.
The EU and UK have almost identical privacy laws - the GDPR, so Germany having exceptional privacy laws doesn’t hold up. As far as other privacy laws go I think France has a lead on Germany with approximately the same population, so privacy law can’t be the main consideration.
Constituent states within the EU can have more laws on top of the EU’s laws. Maybe things have changed since the last time I had to implement code to respect these laws, but as of two years ago Germany and Sweden were the two countries where we had to make the most considerations with Germany being VERY strong
Those are simply the most significant Firefox user bases.
i don’t like how they used “want least”, it means three very different things:
- i want this but it’s not the thing i want the most
- i don’t care for this
- oh god fuck no
That’s why they did it in sets of three. They could just give every user a blank text box for every option, but doing it this way makes it far easier to analyze the data in bulk.
yea, but that gives you less info
this way, you can’t really differentiate from a feature that people want, but not as a priority, VS a feature that people don’t want ever
And there’s no way to relate preference between features, at least in my case. I had one question that I entered “2x faster performance” as most want, and the next question was “2x slower performance,” but there was another crappy option in the same list that I also don’t want, so if I don’t pick “2x slower performance” as least want, what signal does that send?
I hope it all comes out in the wash, but honestly, I would’ve preferred a big list of all of the features with 4 options:
- really want
- want
- meh
- don’t want
I think I would’ve entered about even numbers of things for each category. They could even limit “really want” to top three or something.
It makes the survey easier to complete by users in small steps. Huge surveys scare users away.
The survey design accounts for this. See https://lemm.ee/comment/13835466.
