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    …i mean, to be fair he was barely coherent at seventy, too: that’s kind of his whole thing, sputtering out incoherent word salad so his fanbase can infer whatever they want to hear…

    “Well, yes, he said that but what he really meant was this. I like him because he tells it like it is.”

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    Still here and still not voting for trump. I do appreciate being able to vote for someone who is coherent. It would be nice to have a candidate progressive enough to address current and approaching crisis instead of the continuing this slide to the right.

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    Are people really just now realizing he’s barely coherent? That’s why he got so much coverage 9 years ago in the first place. It’s been the #1 joke every fucking day for night show hosts since he rolled down that escalator to say Mexicans are rapists.

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      No, just liberals. It’s literally just a sports game to them. This is one of their funniest sneers because it’s so obvious why leftists don’t give a shit about Trump.

      The reason, for the liberals reading, is because Donald Trump is not the DNC candidate for President of the United States of America.

      Crazy, I know.

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        What would it mean if you are the crazy that you imagine you see everywhere around you? Have you ever had a physiological health workup or general mental health focused therapy?

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      They never cared that about Bidens age, they just needed something to dislike him for. Notice they don’t have any policies they talk about. They just say Biden opened the border and is letting everyone in and it’s all his fault. Ignoring all evidence that arrests/detainments/returns are up, meaning they clearly aren’t just letting everyone in.

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    The bothsiderist media didn’t even bothsides things when both candidates were older. Now that only the Republican one is older, I have zero expectation of them asking why donnie is so old.

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    Trump shouldn’t be up there. I got no issue saying that and it isn’t ageist. I’m not going to also memory hole all the people that blindly defended Biden when you could see with your own eye’s his decline. GOP people never cared from the start it was just a talking point for them.

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          This is what happens when you cheerlead candidates instead of policy

          It’s so weird how they treat him like a cult leader and can’t even see it. “Real men wear diapers!”

          Donald Trump supporters wore diapers at rallies in spring 2024, holding signs that said “Real men wear diapers.”

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            Both sides are guilty of it, one is more extreme, but on the internet there are so many annoying cheerleaders for both sides. It would be nice to see more real policy instead of who can golf better or go longer without shitting the bed

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        You didn’t have to, plenty of people were talking about pressuring Biden to step down and let someone else run way before his disastrous debate performance. Nothing about wanting a different candidate for Dems implies that you want Republicans to win.

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    The 78 and barely coherent crowd was already voting for Trump. The “we want more than barely coherent” now has Harris.

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    The majority of people who objected to Biden were Democrats that wanted a better candidate because we were afraid that Biden would lose to Trump. The majority of Republicans can’t conceive of a universe where Trump ever loses an election so there hasn’t been an equivalently loud push on the GOP side.

    Also, while I’d personally rather Trump be off the ballot entirely a fair chunk of democratic voters seem to think we’re better off with Trump on the GOP ballot than someone who is younger and may be better able to seem less openly deplorable. I disagree with that notion and also think Trump should step down because any chance that he wins the election is too high of a chance.

    Basically, this article is drawing an equivalence between two very different situations.

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      I want Trump off the ballot (and planet) but I do think that another GOP candidate would have been much more likely to win.*

      Public opinion on the current administration and the economy is negative to the point that one would expect the incumbent party to be facing an extremely uphill battle. But Trump is even more unpopular, brings a ton of baggage, energizes his opposition and alienates his allies by threatening democracy and the rule of law, says crazy nonsense that drives away independent voters instead of focusing on issues, and sabotages his own campaign through mismanagement.


      * Of course, that would only have happened if Trump hadn’t run, since he would almost certainly have caused chaos and infighting if someone beat him in the primaries.

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      Trump on the GOP ballot than someone who is younger and may be better able to seem less openly deplorable. I disagree with that notion and also think Trump should step down because any chance that he wins the election is too high of a chance.

      I REALLY would hate to see a Harris v Haley election.

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        Nikki Haley couldn’t win the GOP primary for the same reason Kamala Harris couldn’t win the Dem Primary. They’ve got these very fancy resumes built up through a lifetime of insider political brown-nosing and horse trading. But they were still trapped under the glass ceiling, by organizers and mega-donors that don’t respect women.

        Hilary - for all her flaws - did “crack the glass ceiling” by hitting a critical mass of insider support that women, up until this point, hadn’t enjoyed. That won Harris a place on Biden’s ticket four years later as a kind-of concession to the PUMAs. But Haley was never going to manage it, because the racism and misogyny in her party is that much thicker. There is no large active feminist wing of the Republican Party.

        I don’t think the GOP is realistically going to be able to put up a woman candidate unless the base of the party is drastically altered. Democrat insiders tolerate women, begrudgingly. Republicans hate them at a biblical level.

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        Harris would have it in the bag. Haley is a true believer in pro-life policies in a way that would really turn off independents. Haley is an absolutely awful national candidate and can only really thrive in regions where Christianity has a death grip on the electorate.

        Trump’s agnosticism is actually one of his political strengths - it should be a weakness with his base but for some reason he’s viewed as the second coming of jesus fucking christ and I really don’t understand how the fuck those delusional religious folks managed to square that in their mind. Especially when it was Biden vs. Trump with Biden being a deeply religious and non-shitty Catholic.

        The GOP is seriously unhinged right now… and every GOP politician who has called that out has been instantly destroyed… that’s actually another contrast of this article - Pelosi openly and really fucking brazenly called for Biden to step down, Johnson, Scalise… fucking McCarthy? Those clowns would never dare because unless they act as a group it’s political suicide.

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          for some reason he’s viewed as the second coming of jesus fucking christ and I really don’t understand how the fuck those delusional religious folks managed to square that in their mind.

          That’s the neat part, they don’t. Cognitive dissonance is one helluva drug

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            Cognitive dissonance causes internal suffering when trying to reconcile two irreconcilable facts or beliefs. You’re suffering dissonance trying to get your head around Trump = Jesus. They are not suffering.

            (For the record, Trump can represent God because he is an “imperfect vessel”, and that’s OK because all have fallen short of the glory of God, sinners casting stones, etc… Besides, didn’t Jesus teach forgiveness? Don’t try to understand this either, just don’t, or more dissonance for you!)

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              Well, I’m not an expert, but I don’t think they don’t experience it so much as their religion has trained them to rationalize it away quickly. I feel like this meme template sort of reflects this, and I think the anger you’d get from bringing the contradiction to light is primarily it

              I suppose that means my original post was phrased incorrectly regardless

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                The meme is incomplete. Instead of the fourth panel with the realization, you open up a new meme with a different objection. And it repeats, over and over.

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          They don’t see Trump as the second coming of Christ, they see him as more like another King Cyrus. It’s the idea that a ruler or other major figurehead can be a “vessel for God” benefiting the believers of a particular religion while not actually being a part of said religion or conforming to its morals.

          Vox article on this, for example

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        Would the main MAGA group shift to support her? I don’t think you can just switch out cult leaders like that. How would she do with policy vs. Harris? What would be fascinating is having a race where someone is going to be the first woman President, regardless, so that is removed from the reasons for voting for them - which it shouldn’t be…I want someone who can be a leader, period. And for what it’s worth, Trump could have been a leader (not a great one, but one still), he got a few chances during his term, even soft ball ones. And he failed them all.

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          The Republicans are completely fucked without Trump and they know it. There is simply no other candidate that has any traction with their base let alone is able to galvanise it. This election is all about bringing out the vote and Trump is the only one who has a shot at that on the right.

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      I also love the implication that it somehow wouldn’t be a massive waste of time for Democrats to go tell Trump he’s too old to run. Like how worthless is your time if you’re gonna spend it barking up the worlds dumbest tree. If I wanted to be ignored, I’d at least ask for something like no longer selling weapons to nations credibly accused of genocide.

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    Same place they were physically then. Getting blind drunk in russia. Just like normal.

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    Since his run for 2016 his speech has been teetering on coherency… It’s part of how he became a meme. How far gone he/it is is more or less meta and par for course.

    Tldr by what metric

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      He drifts between topics more regularly and in fewer words that he used to. Like in 2016 he would say dumb stuff, but could say two sentences in a row or more on the same subject before switching to something else tangentially related if you squint hard enough. It was word salad, but you could follow it if you just pictured it was the utterance of an excited four year old.

      Now he has trouble finishing sentences without switching subjects and instead of saying nonsensical things it is more of a word puree than word salad. Everything is mixed together and completely incoherent instead of stupid. It was a low starting point, but it has gotten worse.

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        Agreed. Unfortunately the number of words strung together hasn’t been all that important (wrong, sad,…). Shockingly today he’s done well in forming sentences and deflecting to other subjects.

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    I think the important answer to this question is that enough of those who were questioning Biden’s age/fitness to the effect that he would lose the election are now willing to vote for Kamala to the effect that she wins it (knocking on wood til I put a hole through it).