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Remember guys “no brigading” is only a reddit-wide rule and does not apply to brigade efforts that originate from outside of reddit. Also, koboldcpp is great for self-hosted text generation ai. I don’t know who needs to read this so go crazy with that information.
Hey, remember what happened to Digg? Why a bunch of people moved over to Reddit in the first place?
I guess not a lot of people remember, so let me tell you.
Bunch of dipshits ran upvote brigades. Stories they didn’t like got buried really fast.
Now, Digg was a hive mind site to begin with - good luck posting anything the hive mind didn’t care about. But add blatant political machinations on top of that, and the site got unusable real fast.
Take a few guesses which political views those groups were trying to futilely promote while quashing opponents. Go on. (I’ll give a hint, some of them retreated to Conservapedia)
So that’s what killed Digg. …that, and the Digg admins were being dicks and the site redesign sucked ass. (…insert comparison to modern Reddit here)
That’s only part of what killed Digg. The final nail in the coffin was when they redesigned the website to give power users even more power to control the front page than they already had.
Yep, as I tried to hint in the last paragraph. 😆
Digg’s biggest sin was that the votes were all that mattered, and the admins just leaned into that by coddling the power users. That’s why Digg got so toxic to random people who just wanted to share something cool they found. The last redesign just made it official that there are those whose votes matter and the unwashed plebs. Everyone already knew people were fucking with the votes, and the admins just said “go right ahead”.
So what Reddit offered was at least some assurance that the algorithm would combat blatant vote manipulation by power blocs and that people could share cool stuff fairly. Digg users promptly voted with their feet.
Now, to Reddit’s credit, the system worked for years. Admins absolutely condemned vote manipulation and actively fought it. People were actively against all sorts of vote brigading, and the admins listened.
Problem is, it all changed. Corporate media influencing came in, under radar. Political memefluencers came in, under radar. It’s all allowed unless it’s blatantly against policy and everyone pretends it’s just organic random users.
Now, you don’t see the Reddit admins talking about what made the site work so well back in the day. I’m not sure they’re interested in maintaining the anti-brigading and anti-manipulation algorithms. They’re this close to saying “fuck it, it’s a free-for-all” and going full Digg publicly.
lmao even if that happens i fucking bet NOTHING will change. too many people are just addicted to the site and even if it does we’ll just get an overload of turbo-redditors here
I don’t remember Digg being infiltrated by right wing conservatives. What I do remember was a website with a community that dickrode its power users so hard that unless you were a figure like MrBabyMan, your content would not get a single vote. The only people who actually used Digg’s social features (i.e. Friends lists) were blog spammers.
IIRC Digg v4 tried to address the issue by making users subscribe directly to news websites and dedicated content creators. They hated it and flocked immediately to their competitor.
Reddit has the same power user problem, albeit 1000x worse. Say what you want about the people who gamed Digg’s front-page, but they didn’t have the power to be judge, jury and executioner when moderating communities.
That’s not what happened at all imho.
What killed digg realistically is that it had less control than Reddit and because Kevin Rose blocked posts about the DVD encryption codes and people over reacted to that block. For days digg was full of people simply reposting them (as Digg was worried about getting sued which was fair enough)
Didn’t really have anything to do with politics.
Don’t forget, this was back in the day of fat people hate and Reddit hosting child porn. Reddit administration was never great
Digg admins were actually ok and I never had an issue with them
Don’t forget, this was back in the day of fat people hate and Reddit hosting child porn. Reddit administration was never great
Reddit in the earliest days was basically 4chan but less controlled and more spread-out. There were thousands of illegal and horrifyingly abusive subreddits. Every single time one got taken down, it was this massive, whinging drama show from thousands of chuds screaming about their “rights” and “censorship.”
By the time admins came for the less overtly evil ones, like the weirdly prevalent communities dedicated to fantasizing about punching particular people in the face, reddit had very much become the WalMart of the internet. Not the cleanest or nicest place to visit, but it certainly had everything and was convenient if you needed a fix at odd hours.
I don’t even remember Digg but I remember it seemed relatively short-lived in the early days of the explosion of forum sites. A lot of people were trying to strike gold with the next big thing as internet popularity was soaring. There are likely hundreds of other big sites like Digg that people used to frequent that have also since died in the mass-extinction events of the 2010’s and beyond.
Those who don’t learn history are doomed to repeat it. Thanks for the quick lesson
But conservatives want to repeat history.
Just not the good parts.
Fuckin reddit out of all places too
“It is unambiguous clear that our message is toxic and the majority of people reject our ideology and us with it. Therefore, the most logical solution is to create an artificial narrative via manipulation and vote-buying that makes it appear that people like us.” -these people probably
Or… I run a reddit botnet, and Christmas is coming up. What’s the easiest group of rubes to fleece?
Capitalism™
That’s what they’ve been doing for decades. And unfortunately they’ve been very successful at it.
Well, it worked with the news.
It also worked with Reddit. The Palestine discourse there is utterly repulsive and gleefully genocidal.
Is it really that bad? I haven’t been on Reddit in over a year.
worldnews is absolutely surreal and awful. Country specific subreddits are also getting worse and worse.
It’s hilariously ironic that I got banned from worldnews four years ago for criticizing the Saudi regime and how they use millennia-old scripture as justification to treat women horribly. Apparently that’s ‘bigotry.’
Everything I hear about the toxicity of worldnews these days is baffling.
Well, Saudi Arabia is an ally in all but name to Israel. Also both countries have excellent ties to large swaths of US politics.
Holy shit you’re not wrong. I just browsed the top of the week on World News for a good twenty minutes and there wasn’t a single post about the thousands of civilians that have been killed. I didn’t see a single pro Palestine post and anybody talking about the literal war crimes being committed over there we’re just downvoted. I think I agree with your word choice of “surreal.” It feels like straight up propaganda and they are all falling for it. Every post about Israel was just saying something about how they’re taking out the terrorists.
I really wish I’d just taken your word for it. That’s depressing.
Lol. What’s truth social stock worth today? 12 cents and a bucket of chicken wing bones?
This is the equivalent of not being able to get your crush to like you, so you pay hooker just to tell people you got a girlfriend.
I bought Canada so I always have a Canadian supermodel girlfriend who just can’t be here right now.
Counter argument: Reddit is predominately American. These upvote sites use low cost foreign slave labor to generate their output. Buying upvotes is outsourcing jobs. Keep Reddit American. Don’t buy upvotes!
I’m not American and I am a Redditor!
This is just sad. How will this not get people sick and tired of it?
cause everyone knows if conservative replies get upvoted enough people who hate Trump will have a sudden change of heart. Is this guy in the upvote for money business or what?
Isn’t that what got the crow guy perma-ip-banned?
Ip bans are incredibly ineffective though. You just get a new IP from your isp
Depends on ISP.
If IPv4 ban, it is indeed 100% ineffective. Nearly all ISPs either CGNAT or rotate addresses. If IPv6, the ISP just forwards a 64 bit block and leaves it at that. You must call and request a new IP block. In which case you’ll be told yes or no. If yes, it’s either free or paid.
I know with ATT Fiber, they don’t offer address changes unless there is some security or service interruption reason. You have to unplug the modem for 30+ days so the lease expires if you don’t want to do rounds with support. My IPv4 address has changed once, but my IPv6 address block has never changed.
With my “new” ISP, I gave up running my DDNS updater on my home server. It’s been years and the IPv4 address still hasn’t changed…
People have gotten sick and tired of r/pics having loads of political content, and while some candidates are better than others, many people are sick and tired of seeing “orange man bad” yet again. The people who were supposed to be propaganda targets immediately knew this was propaganda and the rampant election posts didn’t make Harris more popular. If this plan is enacted, people will see the astroturfing straightaway, and more people will see Trump supporters as bothersome cultists than as freedom fighters. It doesn’t help that, if pro-Trump people can brigade the sub, so can anti-Trump people, and the whole debacle will just get shut down.
This is what they do in real life too though. They know the US is mostly liberal (based on the popular vote) so they have to abuse money and historical power to manipulate the votes into their favor.
“Ignore morality and get shit done”, aka The Ends Justify The Means
- God or something, probably?
You’re telling me I could be getting paid for this shit?
Yes, but you have to be dead inside.
Way ahead of you
I’m sure that they don’t have an economic agreement with that fake up votes website
Owning an “upvote company” is literally the only reason on God’s Earth that anyone could give seven shits about content and voting on reddit.
It may have had cultural impact back in 2016, but that was almost a decade ago and the world is different, reddit is different.
Now it’s just bots arguing with bots and every post is a surreptitious paid ad for something. People haven’t quite “move on” but they certainly don’t give reddit communities the relevance they once had. People broadly roll their eyes at reddit. In the last couple offices I worked in, the people joked that you’re “never allowed to share something on Teams if it came from reddit” and “reddit is a dirty secret, everyone knows we browse it, but it’s shameful to admit it.”
Sorry reddit, the cool factor has left the building a long, long time ago.
Subvert the will and desires of the majority using money and shitty practices…how very GOP of them.
Subvert the will and desires of the majority
Come on, dude. This is Reddit, not a vote in parliament. The site’s entire business model revolves around astroturfing.
