Even if you’ve got nothing to hide.
  • ansiz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    3 months ago

    Seems like the cops should now be worried about civilian phones exploding and now might consider shooting anyone that tries to hand them a phone /s

  • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldEnglish
    24·
    3 months ago

    Reminder: If you are in a situation where you’re presenting a digital ID to a digital ID reader, do not unlock your phone first. Tap your locked phone on the ID reader, then authenticate the document share.

  • etchinghillside@reddthat.comEnglish
    32·
    3 months ago

    I know this is obvious – but I also don’t want to have to purchase a printer to print out up to date proof of insurance.

    My current plan is to just hand over the old/expired copy. Or I have to go through attempting to remember how to display a card from your Apple Wallet while it remains locked.

    • whotookkarl@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      When my insurance carrier stopped mailing cards they added a request to send the updated cards, pain in the ass but pretty sure most insurers are doing that now to cut corners because they aren’t legally required to send them.

    • nocturne@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      12·
      3 months ago

      Most of the time you can go to the library and print it out there. My insurance company (Geico) will still send cards if i request them.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    28·
    3 months ago

    All this makes it sound like police are giving you a bunch of time to respond and addressing you politely.

    I mean, I agree on the principle. Don’t just hand your phone over to… anyone, really. But the game becomes very different when a guy with a gun is hassling you over it.

    • Wolf314159@startrek.websiteEnglish
      51·
      3 months ago

      This is why I set up tasker to lockdown my phone under certain conditions, such as: getting disconnected from Bluetooth (like when my phone is separated from me and my watch, my headphones, or the car), getting disconnected from WiFi (like when it’s taken from where it’s supposed to be), getting a slight jolt from the accelerometer (like getting thrown to the ground or even just a swift tap). My phone may get locked down a bunch during day to day stuff, but at least I know it will lockdown automatically when it matters.

  • kingthrillgore@lemmy.mlEnglish
    37·
    3 months ago

    DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR PHONE

    DO NOT TALK TO POLICE

    Your ONLY responses should be to identify yourself, and “I will not make any statements without my lawyer present.”

    • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      Serious question, what gets you into these situations that you need to safeguard your belongings so hard? I’m asking to understand not to make a shit post thread.

      Edit: 13 hours later…not a single one of you?

    • Petter1@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      You have to suspect, I fear. At least, those exploiting tools are very expensive. So there is this little roadblock. On the other hand, a lot of this money goes to an Isreal based company…

      • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        What if the country did not support israel and does not recognize it

    • meliaesc@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      3 months ago

      Just save a picture/scan of it in whichever secure password manager you use. It’s good enough for most uses.

  • Zement@feddit.nlEnglish
    78·
    3 months ago

    The more comments and news I read about the US the more Orwellian it feels.

    You guys really need a massive left-shift away from the omnipresent government which regulates bodies more than companies.

        • Petter1@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          3 months ago

          This is what happens if you stop developing your democracy and chill on the work people from the past have started to develop

          Happens all the time, if you look into history

    • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      121·
      3 months ago

      I have been to a few spots over there and it is crazy how different culturally it is. Nothing is away from politics and cops get called fot eeeeverything.

    • CaptPretentious@lemmy.worldEnglish
      151·
      3 months ago

      At some point, someone is going to figure out George Orwell was actually a time traveler, and he tried to fix things with books. He had to deliver the message that way because if he just shouted in the streets the things that were going to happen, he’d been written off as a madman. Change a few details here and there… and then sell it as “fiction”…

  • potatopotato@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    124·
    3 months ago

    If you absolutely have to hand over your phone, turn it off completely, like hold the power button and then tap the off icon. That will dump any keys out of RAM, which is why it always requires the full password to unlock when you turn it back on. Both in terms of how your phone works and the leaks we’ve seen, the cracking tools the police have are overall significantly less likely to be successful when used on a phone that’s been turned off and not unlocked since.

    Also, IIRC iphones have a feature where they will dump at least some of the system keys from RAM if you push the lock button five times. I’d still trust fully off more but that’s easier to do covertly.

  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    18·
    3 months ago

    Is article mixing things or am I missing something?

    You don’t need to hand over your phone to present a digital ID. At least in my country the digital ID just creates a qr that the cop can scan to verify. There is no reason to hand over anything on the whole process.

    • Virkkunen@fedia.io
      8·
      3 months ago

      Brazil? I do miss being able to leave home bringing only my phone because my ID and cards are all there

      • Daemon Silverstein@thelemmy.clubEnglish
        20·
        3 months ago

        I’m also from Brazil. I chose to refuse any digital IDs: for example, my CNH (for non-brazilians: it’s our driver’s license) is physical and I used a dumbphone (Multilaser Zapp) to justify to the bureau that I can’t have apps for digital IDs (I kinda could within my other device, a smartphone, but I lied having only Multilaser as device). They can’t force people to have digital IDs, yet. Not everyone has a smartphone, it’s common in Brazil for a house/family/community to have multiple people using one single smartphone, digital IDs won’t be usable for this situation. It’s not my situation, I avoid to take my smartphone outside of home due to security concerns, so I take a dumbphone instead.

        Digital IDs have multiple problems. What if the smartphone breaks? What if the smartphone has no battery when one needs to show one’s IDs? These were the factors that motivated me to refuse any digital IDs.

      • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        73·
        3 months ago

        Of course. But if a police officer were to remove your phone by force, first it would be illegal without a warrant so it would almost made you a favour as all evidence in your phone would be invalid in court.

        Then if they just want to remove by force, with or without warrant, they can just take it from your pocket. Even locked if they want the info in your phone they are probably getting it. They would have access to some of the best forensics teams and equipment.

        Following the same logic, should we never have an unlocked phone near a police officer? I don’t know about that.

        And if you are just that paranoid I would probably be easy to just have a second profile on your phone just for the ID. And you are the same as if having the phone locked as password is needed for changing profiles.

        • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          3 months ago

          But if a police officer were to remove your phone by force, first it would be illegal without a warrant so it would almost made you a favour as all evidence in your phone would be invalid in court.

          Even if what they find on your phone isn’t valid in court, it can still lead them to other things that are valid. For instance, a picture taken at a specific place with a timestamp. That picture may not be admissible, but if they find CCTV footage of you at that time and place, you’re screwed.

          Cops can and will overreach their powers, and they’ll probably get away with it.

          Even locked if they want the info in your phone they are probably getting it. They would have access to some of the best forensics teams and equipment.

          Sure, but it’s a lot harder for them if your phone is encrypted and shut off before you encounter them.

          Following the same logic, should we never have an unlocked phone near a police officer? I don’t know about that.

          You really shouldn’t. Cops are never on your side.

          • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            21·
            3 months ago

            You really shouldn’t. Cops are never on your side.

            I mean never is a strong word here. People are saved by cops every day. At least in my country. Just looking today news: women was arrested after being violent towards doctors in La Palma. Pretty sure doctors though cops were on their side.

            You have to be sure to defend your citizen rights and prosecuted rights (if it even become to that). But that does not conflict to call the cops if you need to and if you are being victim of a crime they’ll most likely help you. Once again, that’s how it is where I live.

            • Ruxias@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              3 months ago

              In the US, cops are legally allowed to just ignore you.

              There was a case in Colorado I believe where an estranged husband kidnapped his kids from their mom. The mom went to the police but they kept brushing her off. After while the dad showed up to the station with a gun, promptly got killed, and then the kids were discovered dead in his car.

              It went to the courts, and courts came back with “yeah they don’t HAVE to help you.” Of course this is overly simplified, but there’s case law in at least part of the country now that allows cops to ignore anyone at their discretion because they’re on dinner break or just not feeling it.

              Also in the US, cops can tear your car up on a minor traffic stop because they “smelled” something. If they search your vehicle for whatever reason, they can decide they want to throw all you stuff out on the road, cut open your upholstery, take door panels off, etc. And if they don’t find anything? “Have a good day sir, get your shit off the road it’s a public safety hazard.” Then drive off leaving you to pick up their mess. And yes it has happened, and no not just once.

              There was a case in New York where a guy was going around stabbing people. Cops posted up looking for him of course. Guy on the subway got stabbed nearly to death, a bystander tried to help the victim and took the criminal off-guard. Cops came in from the operators cab and subdued the criminal. They were watching the whole thing from the operators window and didn’t help the victim until they saw an opening created by the bystander. Literally watching a guy on his way to getting stabbed to death and only decided to intervene when they felt like it.

              Also the Uvalde school shooting. Just hanging out in hallways while kids get shot, waiting for the danger to clear.

              Also George Floyd but at least some amount of justice has been served there. But I’m highly skeptical it would have came to that if the case wasn’t as well-known as it was. Shit happens all the time. They have a term they love to bust out for minorities who are acting out of line. “Excited Delirium”: look it up.

              I could go on, but I think you get the idea. They “can” help, but totally not a requirement.

            • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              3 months ago

              I will admit I’m making some strong, harsh statements. But I think that’s a pretty natural result of living in the U.S., a country who’s cops operate closer to a gang than Rescue Heroes. They kill minorities with virtual immunity. They racially profile people. The list goes on.

              Somebody who intentionally joins a group like that does not have good intentions, or is ok with their buddies not having good intentions, or gets kicked out quickly for tattling on their fellow cops. So yeah, cops are never on your side, at least not here.

        • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          8·
          3 months ago

          Even locked if they want the info in your phone they are probably getting it. They would have access to some of the best forensics teams and equipment.

          I think some of the concern is when cops will use force illegally and then lie about it, so they wouldn’t necessarily have access to forensics.

          • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            3·
            3 months ago

            Like taking your phone and go through your WhatsApp messages?

            If that’s a concern you could set up a password to access any sensible app or chat within that app.

            I think that is a more sensible approach. As if you are targeted by any reason an undercover cop could get a hold on your unlocked phone by many different ways.

            • leds@feddit.dkEnglish
              2·
              3 months ago

              Seems like a good use for android app pinning, I think that locks the phone to that app until unlocked

  • endofline@lemmy.caEnglish
    15·
    3 months ago

    It’s not possible not to it you want to visit USA. If you don’t, they’ll reject your visa or deny entry. Thr only way is to use brand new cheap android before or after ( after is better ) and resell it once you go back. Most corporations do so

        • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nzEnglish
          101·
          3 months ago

          No, but your weird obsession with ridiculously unhealthy food is somewhat interesting.

          • dan@upvote.auEnglish
            61·
            3 months ago

            The obesity rate in Australia (and New Zealand) isn’t very far behind the USA…

            • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nzEnglish
              8·
              3 months ago

              Agreed.

              And the causes are probably broadly similar; lack of education about how to cook, lack of time to cook, lack of education on healthy food, too much food advertising, ultra-processed foods are too common, healthy foods are expensive…