Would a union be able to repeal this lame IT overtime pay expectation? This dumb rule was the $27.63 over ten years ago too. I once worked at a place and a co-worker was told by his staffing agency that they didn’t have to pay overtime.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17e-overtime-computer#:~:text=However%2C Section 13(a)(,duties%20and%20who%20are%20paid
Unions generally don’t write or repeal laws, but a union contract can negotiate overtime pay where there isn’t any.
A collective agreement can’t include less than the law but can provide more than the law, so they could add paid overtime in the collective agreement and the employer would have to follow that even though the law doesn’t make it mandatory.
A collective agreement is a work contract, the only difference is that the employees negotiate it as a group instead of one by one.
How afraid are you of retribution if you tried to unionize?
How afraid of retribution is my manager/ hr because they’re all too fat to walk home when they get 4 flat tires.
Wow that’s crazy that such a thing could happen. What are the chances.
That’s why you get as many people to sign up first, organize BEFORE the vote, not after.
I guess not much if I were an Intuit employee and significantly if I were at Apple. 😄
Holy shit Intuit and GM better shape the fuck up or the workers should just hurry up and fucking do it.
GM also has tons of union employees which has some impact on the non-union portion (i.e. better benefits etc), so seeing first-hand what unions can do for you might make them more likely to support one even if their current working conditions are great.
The US labor laws need to be updated too. They suck compared to the 1st World EU members. I fully support unions too.
If more would join a union it would likely cause the other companies employees to find more interest or courage to join. Please join a union if you are not already. Support yourself and fellow workers, solidarity is key.
Me too. I work for none of the above, but yes I would.
Apple workers is anti union? WTF, i thought apple was one of the most liberal leaning corporations
Apple employees lack class consciousness. They don’t understand that they too are working class, because they too have to sell their labor to survive. You can be pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ+, pro-DEI, etc. while still being oblivious to the class war.
There are two reasons to avoid a union:
- Fear of retaliation - Amazon et al.
- Perceived lack of need.
If you are well looked after by your company and are treated fairly, there is no need to create a union.
Apple may be in this category?
That’s… Exactly why they would be anti union?
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Because companies like Apple, Google, etc. treat their engineers extremely well in order to attract the best talent. Why unionize if you’re payed a ton of money, have unlimited PTO and work in a very casual office environment (or from home)?
Liberals don’t have the interests of the working class at heart
Get ready for corporate announcing the layoff of 67% of the workforce
They’re doing that in any case when they can get away with it. Not forming a union isn’t going stop them.
My company is on there. I wish we had a union
Make an alt-alt over VPN and tells us more. 😁
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Anything using Blind as a “verified industry source” is going to be skewed to the type of person who uses Blind. Beyond that, it’s low sample size, and there are suspiciously round fractions for some of the larger companies. Worse, because Blind is blind - this doesn’t represent current employees, but merely people who worked at some point in the past at those companies.
Not saying it’s not good - just saying not to get overly excited over a badly done survey
Doesn’t blind require you to validate via corporate email yearly or something?
Only on signup
Damn, wtf are intuit and GM doing to their engineers?
Idk about intuit but GM is probably a result of their union coworkers getting awesome Bennie’s.
Maybe they just forgot to brainwash them with anti-union propaganda
Silicon valley is full of H1B visa holders who can’t speak up politically or risk deportation.
This makes a lot of sense. I can definitely see those companies at the bottom having way more H1B workers than the ones st the top.
And a person with an H1B can only change to a job within a certain radius of their current job and if it’s beyond that radius they need to report it to the govt.
The only workers left at 𝕏itter are H1B ones just trying to survive.
This is likely the case with GM given that their manufacturing is unionised. Engineers just got a demo what that can do for them last year. They aren’t getting the raise assembly workers got.
Edit: cause some jackass is implying I’m a bot - I should have joined a union and a union would’ve protected me from the mass layoff in '23 but that doesn’t change that while there I never thought about needing a union because it was such a nice place otherwise.
As someone who previously worked at Google - they didn’t have any antiunion propaganda.
They just, like, paid well, had top tier benefits, great perks, and had a good work life balance.
That’s the other option, of course: If your employees are happy, they don’t need to form a union to press complaints.
That’s my situation at a Silicon Valley tech company. Nobody ever mentioned unions one way or another but I honestly have no idea what I could ask for that I don’t already get. We have good benefits, good perks, everyone works frok home, unlimited PTO that nobody tries to limit or work around (all we are asked for is to give a rough estimate of time we’ll be taking off during each quarter so that it can be factored into planning), good work environment, good pay.
I am a human being, and I enjoyed my employment at Google
which also references an effort to use the media to quietly disseminate Google’s point of view about unionized tech workplaces.
Bogas’ order references an effort by Google executives, including corporate counsel Christina Latta, to “find a ‘respected voice to publish an op-ed outlining what a unionized tech workplace would look like,” and urging employees of Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, and Google not to unionize.
in an internal message Google human resources director Kara Silverstein told Latta that she liked the idea, “but that it should be done so that there ‘would be no fingerprints and not Google specific.’”
From the article posted by 100_kg_90_de_belin.
Google seemingly does care about their internal image, so they will only make their actions obvious when they fire you for bogus reasons after wanting to join a union.
Quite nasty in that they give you no hints about how extreme their efforts on this are. They monitor internal employee tools like they are cosplaying the NSA, but you wouldn’t know before you are fired out of the blue.
Funny, seeing them at the top gave me a favorable impression of them, but seems to have caused the opposite for you. My impression was probably due to, like someone else said, feeling like maybe they’re not being drilled with as much anti-union propaganda.
But I’m from a place where you have to go out of your way not to be part of a union.
10% of people are insane so they even got significant chunks of the crazy vote for GM and Intuit
The union autoworkers get good benefits like overtime pay for work over 8 hours. Union working come in at 6, then take a fixed breakfast and lunch break and then leave at 2:30. Anything over that will need approval and overtime pay. I’m surprised Ford and Stellantis isn’t alongside with GM.
What is the legality of unions across the US?
Unions are legal in the US. The labor movement is currently seeing a huge swell in new bargaining units across most unions
Legal but some States have weird laws in place like being able to not be part of the Union if you don’t want to
Unions are legal in all occupations. There may be restrictions on some form of collective action (i.e. the government can force strikers back to work) but organizing is never illegal.
Unions are legal in all occupations.
One caveat: the legal protections of the right to unionize apply to non-supervisors. If you have people who report to you, your power to unionize is pretty limited.
There are also some specialized jobs that aren’t allowed to unionize by either federal or state law: actual soldiers in the Army, certain political jobs, etc.
But for the most part, if you are employed, you’re probably allowed to unionize (and protected against retaliation even in an unsuccessful union drive).
If that happens, they are going to see a lot of things seemingly from the past connected to union activity though.
Not just strike breakers being hired (some of tech work is not that demanding in expertise, think typical Hindu web devs), but also actual spies, saboteurs, hitmen being involved, propaganda attacks, possibly legal attempts to bust unions and use of force. And, of course, crucial positions in union bureaucracy becoming attractive for organized crime (which likely has very few of people associated with it ever convicted, as in mostly invisible until it’s too late).
Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. Just the more adult level of the game. Considering that the tech industry is at the core of our civilization now, and considering its profits, this can get as historic as battle of the Blair mountain.
this can’t happen because the kill switch activates after 72 hours and “order 66” initiates, plunging the whole stack into lockdown and the org into absolute chaos.
hope there were backups you strike busting pieces of shit.
don’t fuck with IT professionals. you take away the only fulfillment we get out of life and you will come to personally understand the meaning behind, “there are worse fates than death”
apes strong together.
I agree, this particular trait of today’s tech industry in this particular case works in our favor.
For other political and social factors - not so much.
As much as I love the sounds of that it seems like a good way to get arrested under some anti-hacking laws.
lol. you think any judge or jury is going to understand the nuances of how a kill switch works?
“did you implement a kill switch that harmed my clients interests?” – “I have no idea what you’re talking about, and furthermore had your client not broken anti-union laws and came to negotiations, staff could have been available to identify and resolve the issues your client allowed to happen through their own willful negligence.”
Yes, I do think that.
The Judge and Jury don’t have to know how a kill switch works. The Judge and Jury have to believe the expert testimony that one was placed and caused damage.
Sam Bankman Freed didn’t get jail time because the judge and jury understood the nuances of cryptocurrency and financial scams.
I think the key here is intent. kill switch or not, proving you had the intent to harm is what you’re found guilty of.
can’t prove intent on code that’s had all history wiped from it and sat in prod for several years.
“why does this code exist?” – “IDK” “in your expert opinion why does this exist?” – “I cannot express my expert opinion because of a lack of evidence”
That feels like a very… hopeful interpretation. Instead of “In my expert opinion there is no non-malicious use of this component, and SysadminX was the only one with possible access.”
Intent is not always necessary, it depends on the charges.
Computer Forensics isn’t a new discipline at this point. People have literally gone to jail for putting in kill switches. It’s possible SysadminX is actually smarter than teams of people that are dissecting what happened after they were fired and is a real life Keyser Soze, but it’s extremely unlikely.
Honestly, you don’t have to create a kill switch. Most stuff will fall apart due to dependency on manual intervention. Usually because there isn’t enough staff to automate it. Tech debt comes for everyone.
One new difference in our favor: we can reasonably have meetings online, no longer needing a large shared space.
WFH + satellite internet + solar panels = If you want to threaten violence, you’ll have to find me
Be sure to use a VPN or Tor!
Unions can affect productivity of a cooperation which might cause you to lose your job.
Or give psychological safety that it is demonstrated to increase productivity 🤷♂️
What makes you think union decrease productivity instead?
They can also prevent you from losing your job unfairly, and fight for wage increases and benefits that you otherwise wouldn’t get.
Productivity isn’t affected much by individuals beyond some marginal differences. An accountant from 1920 can never be as productive as an accountant today no matter how hard they try. When productivity is discussed by economists, it means investment in equipment and training that makes people produce more for the same hours. When productivity is discussed by business leaders in relation to unions, you’re being lied to or they’re incompetent.
