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The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.
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embarrassing for the green party
Democrats litigate to deny a candidate ballot access, candidate hires non-democrat lawyer to defend herself and democracy.
Probably quite a few “non-democrat” lawyers that didn’t storm congress. Weird how she chose one who did and that wasn’t a dealbreaker for her. 🤔
Oh yeah you knew all about this firm and all of its members activities before this story. Theres just so many ballot access consultancy firms specifically fighting against democrats efforts to obstruct democracy.
Are you saying no lawyer should represent a defendant? If those lawyers didn’t represent the defendants, who would? The Constitution mandates that defendants have competent legal representation.
This is about the guy doing the storming, not the lawyer defending that guy.
The criticism was that Stein hired the lawyer.
And the criticism of the lawyer was that he was a J6 rioter, not that he defended one.
Oh. This thread has s lot of comments, it’s hard to keep up. I wonder why no one’s filed a bar complaint? Thanks for the correction. That’s food for thought.
I’m sure the usual suspects will be along shortly to explain how this isn’t what it absolutely, positively is.
Probably at the stage where it turns into ‘it doesn’t matter since she won’t win anyway, this is just a protest vote to show support for third party.’
Third party that are just Russians. What a pathetic way to protest.
Democrats: “If you don’t vote for Kamala you’re a Russian.”
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Let he who hasn’t dined at the same table as Putin cast the first stone.
What do you mean that’s everyone but Jill?
Using your logic, Obama is a Russian agent too.
Quoting verbatim from a previous comment of mine because it’s literally not worth my time to come up with something original to the same exact stupid, worthless argument:
Third-party fringe candidate who gets less than 1% of the vote having dinner with Putin, Trump’s national security advisor who was later arrested for lying to the FBI about his ties to Russia, and several major Russian political figures before an election in which Russian interference provably helped Trump win.
The US president acting in an official capacity and meeting with the leader of a major world power.
“They’re the same picture.”
Boy,
Russian botsJill Stein stans are really tripping over each other to see who’s the biggest, dumbest idiot, aren’t they?You mean the same investigation that found no evidence that Jill Stein was working with Russia? Let me guess, in your mind she’s so deep and undercover that it is more about a feeling than needing any evidence at all.
Democrat Stans really are tripping all over each other to see who’s the biggest, most intolerant facist, aren’t they?
Edit: TheTechnician said it far better than I did.
Hey, Michael Flynn was there, too.
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If you actively go to the polls and while you’re there – instead of voting for Kamala Harris, the only viable candidate against Trump’s pro-Russia fascism – you choose to vote for a Russia-planted spoiler candidate and you live in a state that’s not safe red or safe blue, then yes, you are pro-Putin’s regime, and you unequivocally suck ass as a person.
That’s not very nice.
If you go cast your vote at the polls and you’re so braindead that you can’t fathom another third-party candidate is running without being a Russian agent in disguise, and you’re so scared that your candidate that you’ve convinced yourself is a perfect deity still might lose to a lunatic, then maybe you should re-evaluate why it is that people no longer trust Democrats blindly like you think they should.
I think I love you a little bit more with each post. Have my upvote, brother!
The only reason she loses is cause the peasants didn’t know what was good for the economy.
And what about the huge group of people who care more about morals than money? Just fuck them? Oh no, I forgot, they are Russians right?
Do you really not see how your intolerance is exactly the same as republicans? You know you can vote democrat and still criticize them too right?
LMAO yep, that’s pretty much the sentiment in these parts lately. And people are only gonna get meaner about it too.
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Catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror?
“No you.”
Compelling argument. /s
Almost as convincing as you calling a US citizen in Washington state a Chinese Government agent. Maybe if you want to be taken seriously in the future, actually provide some facts or say something productive.
Leftists: The Green Parry isn’t a throwaway vote at all! Here’s my 40 paragraph manifesto that explains it all with YouTube links and op-ed opinion pieces to validate the proof!
Nope.
The same ones that jillsplain to everyone how her sitting there with Putin is no big deal.
I like her.
You mean Shillsplain?
Even better.
Y’all literally sound as dumb as the Republicans sometimes. Its embarrassing to be associated with the democrat party these last few months I’ll say.
democrat party
Hm.
Right?! Oh wait…
Our biggest offender would, but they’re currently serving a 3-day ban for Sealioning (public mod logs are awesome).
What an echo-chamber cop-out. Asking for claims to be backed up is trolling
Ah! Look what we have here, right on cue.
Yessir, reporting to defend democracy from efforts to keep candidates off ballots
I’m with ya, brother!
Defending democracy… By working as hard as possible to elect the guy who wants to end it!
Weird flex.
Banning political opponents from participating in an election is the end of democracy already.
Nobody is banning anyone from participating in an election. Want to be on the ballot? Follow the state rules. Otherwise, mount a write-in campaign.
Now address the fact that you are working as hard as possible to elect the guy who wants to end democracy.
Its hard to beat American intolerance isnt it. Democrats shout everyone should get along while throwing shit at multiple groups. Republicans just do the throwing shit part.
This country needs to wash the shit off their hands and learn how to actually work together for a change.
Lol, whatever helps you sleep at night.
TIL there’s a public mod log
Yep! And I would suggest everyone look at.
Is there a link for this?
Hi! :)
So you’re admitting to sea lioning? Bold move
Nope. But it’s public that I had a 3 day ban for it. Modlogs are public, friend.
[sea lion noises]
Got it. That certainly makes everthing about you make a lot more sense. And I’m not your friend.
Friend, they have said it before because it’s true. They are just here to change how Americans vote in a way that leads to fascism, on purpose. If you believe that useless rules can be used to stop that, take it up with the mods. Thank youuuu!
So you don’t think rules can stop a single fascist from posting propaganda? They’ve been banned shit tons of times for it. Eventually they’ll be banned entirely.
No one takes them seriously here anyway.
Don’t worry, he’ll return 2 Lemmy soon.
Hey there! You’re right.
You called it!
“Anything to beat the ‘duopoly’ of political parties, even if the party is tainted by neo-fascist dark money!”
Absolutely wild mental gymnastics lol
They really want a viable third party that peddles red fascism, BSW style.
Which party isnt tainted by neo-facist dark money?
You can spare Lemmy the whataboutisms with this one. Everyone is taking a little money from everyone else, but:
Neo-fascists absolutely prefer giving to the Republican Party above all other major parties and vice versa. It’s an open-and-shut case. Hardliners in the party routinely echo anything and everything that gets them brownie points from dictators and the country’s most degenerate billionaires.
The Democratic Party is not perfect (Israel being the elephant in the room, but make no mistake, Bibi 100% wants Trump back in office). But if anyone is pushing back against the return of fascism the most it’s the Dems. And you can see that in hostilities from Republicans and authoritarian governments alike.
The Green Party’s main candidate accepted gifts from the Russian Federation through their news network RT, which is basically a propaganda machine for the government which owns them. Stein’s ads openly said in 2016 that the Greens wanted Hillary to lose, fearmongering nuclear war with Russia. And this year it’s the same old shit with her: just make the Dems lose.
(Side note, Sputnik hired PSL’s Eugene Puryear as a long-time host. Also, PSL also has absolutely insane foreign positions. Like I’ll be the first to say the West is absolutely an imperfect cultural entity, but you don’t gotta just hand it to Putin or Kim Jong Un because they also have a problem with the hegemony.)
You should maybe learn a bit more about “whataboutism” because you seem to not be aware of when to apply it.
What I am saying is, if you dislike the green party because Russian money has made it into their coffers, but you won’t apply the same standard to democrats, then you are a hypocritical, and your message fails in my opinion.
If you think the democrats have the strongest stance against facism, you don’t understand the meaning of the word facism.
The democrats haven’t moved this country away from facism meaningfully in any way. They move the country towards profit, thats it. The republicans and democrats disagree on how to profit off the worlds misery and to what extent, but both are fascists.
The irony that americans can’t see how close republicans and democrats are in their intolerance and abuse of others.
Democrats: “We want to abuse non-white folk in other countries for profit!”
Republicans: “we want to abuse our own people to make profit!”
If you really think anyone who’s critical of the democrats is a shill or some other bullshit, then I wish you the best but thats a childish perspective.
I have more respect for people who don’t vote then I do for people who vote for her.
That is a tough call for sure. I’d have to see their down ballot votes before I decide. If they took time out of their day to be a full clown, yeah, at least the person sitting it out didn’t waste any paper while doing nothing.
It’s no wonder why the .ml users love her so much.
The friend of their friend is their friend.
And I do NOT respect people who don’t vote at all.
The US Green Party, and all other minor parties, have no incentive to act professionally or nominate serious candidates because voters can’t really punish it electorally for nominating shit candidates or other screw-ups by the party.
Green Party electoral results:
Libertarian Party electoral results:
Working Families Party electoral results:
Constitution Party electoral results:
The WFP uses electoral fusion to join with Democrats. Don’t lump them in with Constitution (far right), LP (far right), or Green (pure spoiler, doesn’t work with Democrats, never makes efforts to keep the far right out).
Under the WFP ticket, they have members elected to the Philadelphia City Council. There are members of the WFP currently up for election through fusion, running under the Democratic ticket. Lets take a look here at a few things…
In 2015, NY WFP ran 111 candidates, and won 71 local offices.. Ed Gomes became a member of the CT Senate.
In 2017, Josh Hall won in CT House of Reps.
They are new to many areas. CA in 2022 for example. Sue Altman is the WFP leader in NJ, and is currently running under the Democrat ticket.
This is the really important bit.
Like, we need third parties, but running them in federal elections is at best a dog-and-pony act, and at worst, a useful agent for the least-aligned party via the spoiler effect.
Even if a third party candidate miraculously won the presidency, they would be cockblocked their entire term.
The way they are now is an insult to democracy.
If they really wanted to do be effective, they’d best be working together where goals align. And where goals should align for all of them, voting reform and moving off FPTP, would be a damn good place to start.
But they don’t want to be effective. They just want to pop up every 4 years, get some money, con a few suckers into thinking that voting for them will give them a clean conscience, then disappear back into their hole. Giant fucking scam, all of them.
If they really wanted to do be effective, they’d best be working together where goals align.
This is what the WFP does. They have a number of members running as Democrats, or put their endorsement to democrats, where needed (or where they don’t have ballot access and need to run as Democrat).
They don’t belong in NateNate60’s list.
Insurrectionist*
…I would argue that even insurrectionist is being far, far too lenient. They should be called terrorists. But, yeah, calling them “rioters”…barf.
They should be called terrorists.
Stein’s campaign also paid $100,000 to a consulting firm, Accelevate, that has worked with Republican campaigns for signature-gathering services.
This is now the bar for “terrorism”?
Um, what? I’m commenting on the corporate media’s insistence on calling the insurrectionists “rioters”. I think even the term insurrectionist is a bit of a euphemism.
I’m commenting on the corporate media’s insistence on calling the insurrectionists “rioters”.
Oh, that. I mean, that was a riot in a very classic sense. To call it an insurrection feels romantic, relative to what amounted to a massive adult baby temper tantrum that left a handful of people dead. Insurrections tend to have stronger leadership and more strategy.
That is a shockingly
harshsick burn. Holy shit.Edit: still love it. Can’t stop thinking about how well this casually and truthfully states it.
you: le government is bad, crooked and corrupt. We must seize the means of production!
also you: omg, those inshurexionists… they made the government poopy their pants and punched some cops (we love cops now) TERRORISTS!
Is this even real?
Nuance would be your friend, if you understood it. There’s a difference between a fascist uprising, a populist uprising, and a revolution. At this point the leftists understand that one can be far more effective online than in person, and they are killing you into a false sense of security. Marx is your friend, especially Groucho and Karl. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, and Adolf Eichmann are not.
Looking realistically at the situation, it was an ineffective riot by some clods. Knowing that and watching the politicos cower for once should bring joy to the heart of anyone who has had to deal with the system. I mean… unless you actually are a statist at heart. Then it was a great insult to the power structure.
Whoever swallows the rrats and takes great offense literally outs themselves. I’m sure they’ll downvote away but fake internet points don’t take away the stench of being a phony.
[…] unless you actually are a statist […]
Well then.
🙄
Ahh, thanks for clearly stating where you align. I’m no statist, but just from your description, you’re clearly a statist apologist.
Disregarding the fact that that particular insurrection was incited by a sitting president, those insurrectionists were and are unrepentant bigots that chose violence over the social contract. That you defend them in any aspect merely shows your own reliance on the status quo.
Come back to me when you are actually willing to throw your own comfort aside, when the cops are around. I do so every single time I see a fucking pig.
Come back to me when you are actually willing to throw your own comfort aside, when the cops are around. I do so every single time I see a fucking pig.
Based
Ahh yes, seizing the means of production by nullifying a democratic election. Look at what the longshoremen are doing on the East Coast, that is seizing the means comrade.
they made the government poopy their pants
If this had been a private property owned by one of your favorite mega-corps rather than the legislature’s main office, I suspect you libertarians would be singing a different tune.
What is it about the Non-Aggression Principle that just melts away for the Reich-Wing Party when its a mob of anti-immigrant psychos busting a cop’s head open with a flag pole?
I mean if you believe in democratic ownership of the economy then trying to undermine the democracy is basically treason.
Reality though is we’re voting for one faction of elites and another, less competent but more brutal set of elites via an election that has the trappings of democracy. Stealing that is depriving the public of the tiny crumb of choice we have, which honestly should bring out the bloodlust against the Jan 6th people. Why take away our final bit of control?
You’re basically making the argument “Its just a crumb of democracy, why bother?” but for most people in the US it is the last remaining crumb of control over our government and expecting people to surrender it entirely to elites is some insane shit.
Elites here are generally the economic elites: Musk, Gates, Bezos, other corporate CEOs who would love nothing more than to take away the public’s final bit of influence over government.
I’m an insurrectionary anarchist. please don’t associate them with me.
You have my upvote!
Same, when I saw Jan 6 my first thought was “damn imagine if we anarchists could organize like that and just storm the government”. Hopefully one day
I was shouting “wrong side” at my tv screen. for some reason I thought there would be a black bloc out that day.
I laughed while muttering, “they’re doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.”
What moves this beyond Third party pays consulting firm for political campaign work that had previously done work for one of the duopoly parties… Like who else is there to hire for this kind of thing?
led by a suspected January 6 rioter
There are plenty of people on both sides that didn’t attempt to overthrow the government.
Sure but how many consulting firms for political campaigns are there?
I’m like if I pay my plumber and then it turns out he was a January 6ther. Does that really say anything about me?
You asked what was different, I answered your question.
There are enough that she could find one that wasn’t run by an insurrectionist if she cared. No I’ve is going to look into who fixed your sink because no one cares. Half of politics is optics and making sure the people working for you aren’t going to make you look bad.
Not really 🤷♂️
You act like there is a American presidential campaign consulting company that’ll do business with a third party on every street corner lol. How do you know there are “enough” other options lol. I think you just want this to fit your narrative
like Trump, she is VERY old
Well, she didn’t pay it.
The Green Party in the USA is f’n weird.
The Green Party has no incentive to act professionally because voters cannot punish them electorally for it.
They also, unlike their voters, understand there is no possibility of electoral success. So there is no positive incentive for it either.
Well said.
Gosh, how weird.
I wonder where she got the money from?
Dick Cheney? Oh wait, that is the war criminal an actual Presidential candidate is campaigning with.
That’s a nice change from the genocide stuff!
Uncle Putin?
Her trust fund. (And other rich idiots who think giving her money cleans them of sins of capitalism)
She’s just a rich bored kid who wants the attention like pretty much all politicians these days other than the prostitutes the Republicans bring in to slow proceedings in a way they expect to be able to control by being the source of their money.
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@UniversalMonk@lemmy.world, your thoughts?
I like her. I’m not voting for her, but I still like her. Thanks for asking!
I think he’s still under his temporary ban ;)
Awww…temporary? Why?
Honestly, I think the mods should be promoted to sainthood for the level of patience they’ve shown with Monk (who as of late runs what seems to be a community related to MGTOW but without the toxicity called MRTOW) which is so beyond what I feel I’m capable of. I hope Monk appreciates the level of leeway they’ve been given here.
I’m honestly not sure if sainthood is the way I’d put it. It feels negligent to me. But in fairness I’d love to hear the mods perspective on what they consider the threshold for trolling. It almost feels like it’s a secondary offense here. Like they won’t ban you for trolling, it’s got to be trolling aaaand [pejoratives|hate speech|etc].
Is this MRTOW/MGTOW just mask-off incel shit? I think it would fine to ban that level of toxicity permanently.
Except that MRTOW expressly doesn’t allow the toxicity. I’m not an incel. I have a gf and kids.
Now if you wanna make an argument that I’m an idiot or something, ok, cool. But MRTOW is just celebrating men not actually getting married because the justice system is still skewed in a lot of ways when it comes to division of assets.
It’s not anti-women. It’s anti-marriage. I love women, just not marriage. MRTOW is not related to the current MGTOW movement–which IS incels now.
Thank you!
Well at least it’s been proven that I don’t get preferential treatment, so now people can stop saying that!
The fact you weren’t perma-banned for the amount you spam this community with propaganda is unambiguous proof that you’re treated with kid gloves.
Dude, I just came off of a 3-day ban for “sealioning.” And the mods have mentioned more than once that they think I have idiotic opinions.
You think that stuff is kid gloves?! Say wat, mate?! lol
I love how the one downvote on this comment only appeared after a certain someone’s ban had expired 🤣
Only 21 hours to go before we get graced with their wonderful presence again!
Wait, am I famous? You guys were actually talking about me while I was gone?! Really! Oh wow, I feel sorta honored. Thank you!
*“infamous”
Actually I like that word better! Imma update my profile with that!
Wait! Dammit, I can’t. If I do, then it’ll just be a barrage of “You have the worst case of Main Character Syndrome ever!!” comments. So I’ll just note this mentally. But thank you!
Oh, phew. I was worried my clown signal was broken. I’ll try again.
Oh boy, I can’t wait to see more sealioning, fake positivity and condescension from them!
Oh, wait. I have them blocked. Oh well!
You can’t see this, but my positivity is not fake. I’m just happy. Thank you!
I thought that username felt familiar, so I clicked through to their profile. Yup, already blocked lol.
lmao same
