Why don’t you save the country instead of being a moody bitch? It’s entirely possible to do the wrong things for all the right reasons, and still be correct
He’s sad that president Netanyahu is being replaced by president Musk.
He’s angry because he lost his election. I’m angry because I fear we lost our country.
We are not the same.
Note: I do not agree with the Orange Cheeto; merely posting the meme.
Biden has absolutely nobody to blame for him getting ousted but himself.
Dems told him he should not run for a second term, and he ignored them and did it anyway.
Then, he proves all his critics right by absolutely imploding during the debate.
What did he expect?
Time to fade away into obscurity. Thanks for letting your ego get in the way of what was best for America.
Dems told him he should not run for a second term, and he ignored them and did it anyway.
During his 2020 campaign he fucking said he only wanted to serve one term, that he wanted to act as a bridge president. Then he proceeded to do absolutely nothing to put Harris in front of the country, absolutely nothing to set her up for an ezpz “incumbent” primary, and cock blocked the entire fucking country until the last minute.
I don’t know if he lied to our faces, changed his mind, or just forgot but fuck him regardless.
Edit - His only fucking job was to win in 2020, then unchain the AG or whoever to bring cases against every single person who used the Constitution as a cum rag as fast as realistically possible. He failed. He won the election in 2020, then just didn’t finish the fucking job. Fucking pathetic joke of an out of touch old.
During his 2020 campaign he fucking said he only wanted to serve one term,
Can you actually find him saying this, or is it only people on background who wouldn’t allow their name to be printed next to the statement that said this and people’s brains morphed it into an official campaign promise because they wanted it to be the truth so badly?
I hope by the time the next election comes around, assuming we will ever have another election, that we endorse a new party and completely abandon the democratic party in favor of something like a labor party. Maybe, just maybe, we have seen the Democrats vs. Republicans for the last time.
This country had different parties before, we can have different parties again.
I’m more aligned with Sanders than the democrats. D just feels like neoliberalism protected by identity politics when we need to focus on class issues. Lots of working people can get behind the same idea of wealth inequality. Identity politics has fragmented the focus. I don’t give a shit about Target/rando corp having rainbow clothes: when lots of people cannot afford the clothes, then that’s a problem to solve.
I agree with you that the Democrats need to focus on economic issues, but I’m not following on the “identity politics.”
What did the Democrats propose to do about pride merch in Target?
It’s less about what they did than didn’t do. There’s been inroads made because of identity politics, but now it feels somewhat pointless. Instead of being the “big tent” party, the Dems are the party of many tents. That means working class people look at it, say, “I’m not part of some special group, so I don’t matter.” And they turn red or just “not Dems.” A lot of people didn’t have improvements in their lives over the last 4 years.
Absolutely, some groups are more negatively impacted by others, but systemic racism is invisible to many. Meanwhile, things are more expensive, salaries can’t keep up with inflation, we’re talking about trillionaires in 10 years.
I don’t identify as a democrat. They can talk all they want, but I have no faith in the party. I fit in several identity politics groups, but that doesn’t matter while people struggle with housing, food… it’s just a distraction to divide us further rather than focusing on the shared element that every day people are facing.
That means working class people look at it, say, “I’m not part of some special group, so I don’t matter.”
In fairness, there haven’t been a lot of indicators that the working class matters to Democrats. In fact, they got a few very public demonstrations that when given the opportunity, Democrats will not act in the best interests of workers.
The problem isn’t that Democrats defend trans people too much (because they fucking don’t. They ran republican anti-trans hate in their own ads last election.) The problem is that Democrats don’t also fight for workers.
Democrats should openly and viciously fight for every tent they (falsely claim to) represent. Not just the ones that are convenient at the moment.
The Democrats are the incompetent defenders
Incompetent implies that they tried and failed. Not failed to try.
I agree at the general prescription for the party. On a personal level, it’s starting to feel like a distraction, and maybe even a manufactured one.
On a personal level, it’s starting to feel like a distraction, and maybe even a manufactured one.
So we should just abandon every vulnerable minority on the grounds that protecting them or fighting for them in any way would just play into Republicans’ attempts to distract?
Oh yeah! Definitely what I’m saying in good faith! /s
Focus on what an actual aligned group can: our class. We’d help those groups and more if we stopped doing this.
I say I agree with someone and I get bad faith questioning back.
I’m still not following then.
Why would you list pride merch in Target as one of the problems with the Democrats if that’s not one of their problems?
Do you have anything to support this hypothesis that supporting vulnerable groups was what cost them the election instead of them being the party of the status quo? Or maybe I’m misunderstanding?
Like I said, I’m with you that they need to focus on economics that has an effect on people’s lives. I just don’t follow your other point.
It’s a joke because a bunch of people on the right got mad over Target.
This is an opinion. I’m okay with my feelings being wrong.
Then aren’t you doing the thing you’re complaining about? Choosing to discuss identity politics over economics?
I don’t want to talk about it. Other people are?
The problem is that there are people who really fucking care about those rainbow clothes. And those people don’t think a subset of our population should exist. That’s why it’s something to give a fuck about.
You don’t have to be gay to give a shit about these things. They’re talking about ending marriage equality (or “leave it up to the states” which I’m sure won’t lead to chaos when states decide not to acknowledge people’s marriage certificates).
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That stupid bastard really thinks he would’ve won.
Piece of shit found out that what the party can grant him, they can take away. Unfortunately for all of us, the party acted too late in ousting his decrepit genocide-loving ass.
Should’ve run in 2016, Joe. You would’ve won easily.
To be fair though im in a rather dark mood myself.
“Forced out.” welcome to a primary, Biden. Functional parties have them.
Biden won his primary.
A sham primary in which the DNC shut out new candidates, refused to have debates, and then coronated a new candidate anyway.
If the DNC couldn’t stop Marianne Williamson from running against Biden, then they couldn’t stop anyone.
And the DNC doesn’t run debates, they are generally run by the media networks.
The DNC removed delegates for an entire state during the primary, they argued in court in 2016 they didn’t have to respect the voters as a private company. They’ve been actively suppressing democracy in primaries ever since Obama skipped the line.
They removed the delegates of New Hampshire, because New Hampshire didn’t follow the rules. New Hampshire thought it was entitled to vote first even though it was clearly another state’s turn to vote first.
Eventually the DNC ended up reinstating the NH delegates.
I’ll catch downvotes for this, but every incumbent president has a primary that is abbreviated and dominated by the incumbent. Biden is no different than Obama, Bush, etc. That said, you can and should still be critical of the DNC not hosting a full primary when Harris was tapped out.
That’s not an accident though, the party is choosing to shut out new candidates. I think it’s always wrong to do, because it puts even more power over our elections into the hands of billionaires.
Yes. The party chooses to “shut out new candidates” in the sense that the vast majority of potential candidates choose not to run. In large part because the incumbency is either a massive strength or an albatross hanging around everyone’s neck.
And considering primaries tend to come down more to attacking the candidate themselves (since the viable candidates tend to have platforms not too dissimilar from one another with the expectation that the final platform is an amalgam of the front runners anyway), it mostly just serves to provide weaknesses for the other party to exploit.
A biden who had chosen to stand down would have been a very different story. There were definitely arguments for it at the time much as there were arguments against it (the biden years were really good for the country and most of the horrors of it would have been there under any other president). But people are stupid and decided that the local kroger jacking up the prices meant the world was ending and so forth.
Here in California, we haven’t had a presidential democratic primary since 2016, and he wasn’t running then. Please explain how he won, when the DNC cancelled the 2020 primary before we even got to vote, and never had a 2024 primary?
There was a California primary in 2024.
- Biden won 3,207,687 votes
- Williamson won 146,356 votes
Other candidates included
- Eban Cambridge
- Gabriel Cornejo
- Stephen P Lyons
- Armando “Mando” Perez-Serrato
- Dean Phillips
I was signed up for mail in voting, and never got a primary ballot in 2020. Got one in 2024 but of course there wasn’t a presidential primary option.
Also how many votes did Bernie get, cause we had tons of Bernie voters here in 2016 and 2020
If the California 2020 primary was cancelled then why are there results reported? (Spoiler, Bernie won it)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Democratic_presidential_primary
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-primary-elections/california-results/
https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/primaries-caucuses/state/california
who did the california delegates go to?
Ah, we’re onto the moving of the goalposts! At least we’re admitting/agreeing that the primary did, in fact, take place.
It’s right there in the Wikipedia link:
Senator Bernie Sanders won the highly desired primary, which bore the most delegates of the entire primary cycle by far, improving on his polling average by 3% and winning 36% of the vote and 225 delegates.[1] Former vice president Joe Biden, however, aided by among others the endorsements of Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar, also had a much stronger second-place finish than expected and took 28% of the vote and 172 delegates
Further down in the same link
The 415 pledged delegates to the 2020 Democratic National Convention were allocated proportionally on the basis of the results of the primary.
And then if we go and look over here at how the delegates voted for the convention, we can see that Bernie received all those pledged delegates’ votes and a few more. Some mixture of superdelegates and delegates who were pledged to some other candidate who dropped out, but Biden picked up more of those. Now, before you treat that as an “Aha! See! They cheated Bernie!” I’ll remind you that Bernie dropped out in April and the delegates voted 4 months later in August. So even though he dropped out he still received more delegate votes than his popular vote in the primary warranted him. And you might be interested to know pretty much no candidate ever has won the general election after a contested convention, so the smart play for the general was for the I pledged and superdelegates to present a united front in support of the nominee.
But there was a primary. Correct?
Not that I can tell. Especially since none of those names are Sanders, and despite being signed up, I wasn’t allowed to vote.
As you just said in another comment, you opted out of electing a political party preference, which is the same thing as opting out of voting in the primaries.
This is a decision you made, don’t misrepresent it. I don’t complain when I can’t see in a dark room because I didn’t want to turn the light on.
Are you a registered Democrat? Afaik, for all those primaries you claim that didn’t happen, you had to be registered as a party member to actually vote in them. I specifically re-registered as Democrat from independent to vote for Bernie in all of them.
No. My religion prevents me from joining a political party.
So you chose not to participate in the primary.
I’mma be honest: I was going to ask that same question but figured nobody could be THAT stupid.
Kudos for justifiably having even less faith in humanity than I do.
Honestly, I hadn’t even heard of primaries until the 2016 election, let alone that you needed to register as a party member to participate (came as a surprise to me since I went in person and had to fill out a new voter registration thing). My civics classes were absolute garbage in school. I didn’t learn shit.
Maybe you didn’t see the presidential primary on your ballot? If not you should have gotten another ballot, because millions of other Californians voted in the presidential primary.
And Sanders wasn’t running in 2024. He is not required to run in order to hold a primary.
There wasn’t a presidential primary in 2024, I thought we were talking about 2020, when there was one that the DNC called early because of the pandemic. As far as I can tell there wasn’t a primary in CA in 2020 because despite being on the register, and signed up for mail in voting, I never got a ballot. Didn’t follow up due to pandemic.
If those are 2024 vote totals, then they were made up, because we didn’t have a presidential primary. I got that ballot.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. I already linked the results of the 2024 California primary.
And of course there was also a California primary in 2020. Not only that, Sanders won.
What county are you in? Because I’m in central Cali, and I’m pretty sure I voted for Dean Phillips in the primary.
I mean that’s obviously a lie. There’s documentation that proves primaries were held. I voted in mine.
Some of them were held. Ours was cancelled and they called it for Biden because of the pandemic. And again, what primary in 2024?
The one my wife and I voted in.
What are even talking about? I voted by mail in both 2020 and 2024 primaries, in California.
You can’t seriously consider what he won to be a legitimate primary.
People were free to choose from a list of candidates. That’s equally “legitimate” as most primaries.
Both shams when we know that the DNC picks their favorite from day one and works with the media to form their narrative. 90% of voters are just looking to be told who to vote for.
Look no further than Kamala. Right up until 21 July, when Biden was facing calls to resign by rank and file Dems every day, we were getting puff piece after puff piece that “Biden still polls better than Kamala Harris,” “Biden is still the best possible candidate.” Well, Biden eventually caved and literally overnight Harris became not only the real best chance, but actually was looking really good. Nothing about her changed. None of her policies changed overnight. The only thing that changed was that she was now the status quo choice and therefore “safe” for the MSM to endorse.
Biden still beat Trump while Harris didn’t.
Maybe he would have the second time too just because he’s white and male.
The debate ended that chance. Fucker was arguing about golf scores with a fascist.
Yeah and over half of American voters voted for Trump.
And when Harris bent over backwards to appeal to the “white moderates” aka suburban conservatives she got less votes than Biden from them, but not that much less. If it was just about her gender and skin color we’d have seen more but the reality is the lines have been drawn and the racists and sexists weren’t going to vote for a Dem regardless, they already have their candidate.
There are racists and sexists in both parties.
What’s worse is that Pelosi revealed in her NYT interview that party leadership HAD AGREED TO AN OPEN PRIMARY.
He should be feeling angry he’s going to be remembered for helping Israel commit genocide, refusing to step aside and let the younger generation lead, and enabling fascism, but his hubris won’t allow for that.
He should be feeling angry he’s going to be remembered for helping Israel commit genocide,
No, he’s proud of that.
Trump already removed sanctions on some particularly violent West Bank settlers, the IDF launched a major operation in Jenin, and a group of Israeli settlers rampaged through several Palestinian villages in the West Bank, torching homes and businesses and vandalizing vehicles.
Maximum age limits should be enacted
But not angry enough to do anything helpful.
I’ll never forgive him for not pardoning Mangione.
Or Snowden.
But don’t worry, Hunter Biden is free to smoke crack without worry once again!
And I’ll never stop feeling angry that he didn’t decide to step down after one term. The difference is that I’m going to live long enough to see the consequences of that decision.
