cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24646745
Is it weird that I see nothing objectionable about this one? Looks solid to me, other than bypassing a Senate vote.
There has to be some Monkey’s Paw here somewhere, but I’m not immediately seeing it.
He argued in federal court today that members of native American tribes are not citizens.
article please? 🙏
Part of the birthright citizenship executive order:
The Justice Department then goes on to cite the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which predates the 14th Amendment by two years. The Justice Department attorneys specifically cite a section of the act that notes that “all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.”
The Trump administration then goes on to argue that the 14th Amendment’s language — the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” — is best understood “to exclude the same individuals who were excluded by the Act —i.e., those who are ‘subject to any foreign power’ and ‘Indians not taxed.’”
The Justice Department attorneys return to the topic of whether or not Native Americans should be entitled to birthright citizenship later in their arguments, citing a Supreme Court case, Elk v. Wilkins, in which the court decided that “because members of Indian tribes owe ‘immediate allegiance’ to their tribes, they are not ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States and are not constitutionally entitled to Citizenship.”
Oh well that explains it then. By recognizing this tribe federally I bet he is tryng to revoke their citizenship so he can kill them later.
Follow the money. There has to be some profit downstream. Otherwise this would be a blanket recognizing for all tribes in the US. Maybe some quid pro quo for some resource, with the threat of removing the status if they don’t comply?
It was to win North Carolina, of course now that he got the votes, he wants to block them from ever voting again.
The promise was to get the votes, but to grant that promise suggests more to it.
But at this point, that should be moot either way, they are being born to people that have been recognized at citizens and nothing in the order seems to claim to be retroactive, and as far as I’ve seen, they only are claiming changes for children of non citizens.
While he’s chock full of malice and corruption, I’m thinking that this one is potentially innocuous in nature. It’s not like every single thing must have a catch, though I certainly appreciate folks looking out for what those catches are… He did promise the Lumbee tribe recognition and they have long actively sought that recognition, so this would seem to be a strangely straightforward move in a sea of weirdness.
Aha! Repayment of a campaign promise for NC voters:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lumbee-tribe-nc-campaign-promise-2019969
"In September, Trump made a bold campaign promise to the Lumbee Tribe during a rally, vowing to grant them federal recognition if reelected. Speaking at the Aero Center near Wilmington International Airport in North Carolina, Trump addressed a crowd of supporters, including John Cummings, a Lumbee Tribe member and Robeson County board commissioner.
“The Lumbee Tribe has been wrongfully denied federal recognition for more than a century,” Trump declared. “But now we’re going to take care of it. We’ll take care of it right at the beginning.”"
Kind of weird that he would actually follow up with that promise. I guess someone on his team remembered.
On the same day they argue “indians” aren’t citizens…
When Kamala Harris and Donald Trump campaigned in North Carolina, both candidates courted a state-recognized tribe there whose 55,000 members could have helped tip the swing state.
Trump in September promised that he would sign legislation to grant federal recognition to the Lumbee Tribe, a distinction that would unlock access to federal funds. He ultimately won North Carolina by more than 3 percentage points, in part due to continued support from Lumbee voters.
