- Amelia近幾年去過香港嗎? 
- In Taiwan, these people are called 民主二代 (second generation of democracy), oftentimes in a derogatory way, referring to a generation that came of age after Taiwan’s democratization, sometimes seen as taking democracy for granted. - I kinda half don’t blame them, they suffer from the same issues that most liberal democracies face now: - horribly low pay and worker protections, in your first year working, expect to barely have 3 holiday days offered to you
- never being able to buy property in Taiwan (Taiwanese property market is insane and I could talk at lengths about it)
 - In this context, Taiwanese politics is a hugely partisan-tribal affair with a lot of drama. A lot of people become apathetic and just go “you can’t eat democracy” (a dig at parties that keep pushing this as their campaign slogan rather than talking about kitchen-table political issues (housing, affordability, high cost of raising kids). - … politics is a hugely partisan-tribal affair with a lot of drama - This is a problem everywhere. In fact it may well be the definition of politics. - I know this isn’t particularly helpful in terms of this specific discussion (China, Taiwan, etc.), but that phrase leapt out at me and I had to call attention to it. 
 
- They should spend some time there! See how they’re treated. Certainly was an eye opener for a Taiwanese friend of mine. One China doesn’t mean one people, only under one emperor. 
- That’s cause the ML are good at propaganda. They will hate it when they can’t speak openly or be gay - I think the housing crisis, crushing capitalism and rising cost of living are having more impact than ML propaganda here. Not that a Chinese takeover would necessarily fix these things, but there’s plenty of reason to be disillusioned with liberal democracy other than propaganda. 
 

