A federal judge in West Virginia has given the Trump administration an ultimatum: Stop illegally detaining immigrants or face contempt rulings and “monetary sanctions against responsible officials.”
“Today, the Government continues to wrongfully detain those petitioners without due process,” [Goodwin’s] opinion reads. “Even now the Government incredulously asserts that the federal district courts do not have jurisdiction, that petitioners cannot raise due process violations, and that the Government has authority to mandatorily and indefinitely detain noncitizens in the local jail. The Government is wrong. Judges in this district have said that over and over and over again. I have said it myself.”
Another strongly worded letter. Arrest them. Do it now.
Not good enough, arrested, convict, and executed there traitors.
“This is our final warning” -type energy here.
Monetary sanctions.
Jesus Christ.
Not explicit enough
Explicit notice would be finding the assholes in contempt. Maybe if the ICE/Justice Department lawyers dropped their pants and took a crap on the gavel it would result something other than a strongly worded letter.
Stop fucking saying it’s going to happen and just do it you assholes.
JAIL TIME! WE WANT JAIL TIME!!! LIFE IN PRISON!!
Can you email judges? If so email this fucking judge and all judges and reps.
Judges do have public contact information (here is this judge’s: https://www.wvsd.uscourts.gov/judges-info/district-court-judges/joseph-r-goodwin), but judges are not public representatives. They don’t (directly) answer to the people. There are also a lot of laws protecting the judicial process
Like that’s going to do jack shit. You don’t stop the secret police with sanctions.
ya sure… when
Lemmy really hates it when people with legal authority actually use that authority to do something. I guess they’d prefer if they all just rolled over and let the Nazis win.
What is wrong with you?
They’re not doing anything. They’re merely saying they could do something in the future
Don’t listen to what people say, watch what they do
If the judges handing out these warnings agreed with the illegal detentions, but didn’t want to explicitly break the law themselves, what would they do differently? I don’t think anything. If they wanted these illegal detentions to happen, while still covering their own ass, they’d do exactly this: Drag their feet on doing any action, while verbally condemning the government breaking the law
Name is relevant, WTF…
Make it arrests and potentially executions for the egregious extremity of the nature of misuse of state power against citizens, and something might actually change. Nothing else resonates with this regime, clearly, why would they stop now?
This is one year overdue. Just fucking do it!!!
Courts mean nothing if no one enforces their rulings.
Judge: “Police, I demand you arrest these police!”
Oooh! The strongly worded letters are getting even more strongly worded!
Is this better or worse than a “slam”? What about a “blast”?
“Politician Ignites Explosive Firestorm With Routine Decision as Critics Slam Controversial Move, Outrage Erupts Nationwide, Panic Surges Over Alleged Hidden Agenda and Demands for Answers Detonate Across a Shocked Public”
Translation:
“A politician carried out a routine administrative action. A small number of opponents criticized the choice publicly. Some people posted complaints online. Nothing about the situation indicates any misconduct.”
‘Monetary Sanctions’
Fuck you; ISSUE ARREST WARRANTS YOU SPINELESS CUNT
Never forget, Emil Bove is the one that suggested simply ignoring the judicial system.
You can only issue arrest warrants for criminal contempt, meaning Trump can just issue a pardon.
Civil contempt isn’t subject to the pardon power.
hilarious that they pay the fine to get the thing but won’t pay someone else’s smaller fine to get the thing out of sheer moneybrain
So instead of something like proportional fines related to the value of the properties, you’ve fucked over the working class for violations that they didn’t commit, didn’t know about, and likely had no control over? Do you have any idea what an unexpected $500, $1000, or $1500 bill can do to a family that is struggling? Are these fines even legal? What types of violations by the rich are the working class being made to pay for? Do you also send warnings to the workers before taking their money, or do the owners get a warning and you just hope they tell everyone else? I find this little story completely abhorrent and I hope some of these workers sue your organization and get their money back.
The people we’re talking about have billions and we can only legally charge them a few thousand. We can’t cut off the money spigot, so we cut off the supply of workers willing to work for them.
And the workers that get fined are the ones still performing the work after we’ve issued a verbal and written stop-work order and cited the owners. And it’s not like we just put something in the mail - we discover the work by driving by, seeing the workers on site, and speaking with them directly and telling them to stop. Our code enforcement people don’t cite the individual workers until their third trip to the site in which they’re told to stop. Hell - if they stopped when we first asked we wouldn’t even know who to cite if we wanted.
Most of the time, they stop without being cited and work with us on permitting and remediation. We end up having to go after the contractors for violation of a SWO about 1% of the time (though we’ll also cite them for other things like wrenching through public utilities in the ROW more often). And in those cases it’s almost always the contractors who lie and either tell the owners a permit isn’t needed or that they already have one. The last time we did it they had actually printed out a forged permit placard.
And that 1% that repeatedly refuses to follow the rules gets to go to court and explain their side to the judge, where the reality is they’ll probably have the daily fine dismissed and only pay the initial $500 or whatever if they start to cooperate.
Our code enforcement people don’t cite the individual workers until their third trip to the site in which they’re told to stop.
It’s incredibly frustrating how everyone thinks the government shoild just steal roll over people on these things. These things are done this way because sometimes the fine is wrong.
Everyone wants heavy immediate enforcement until they are the target and enforcement notice.
Our goal is compliance, not enforcement. The only people we throw the book at early are repeat offenders we’ve already suspended from pulling permits for repeat violations or anyone who tries to meet us with a lawyer.
We learned long ago that you can’t give a micrometer in this town to rich people who try to intimidate you with a lawyer. Other cities fold under that pressure, but with everyone in the city being in the top 0.1% there’s no way we can let lawyers intimidate us.
We go to court a few times a year, and our lawyers are way meaner than we are and haven’t lost a case since I’ve been with the city.
This happens all the time even on the federal level. My company just ate a several thousand $ fine because we were working on a site where the plumbers didn’t mark an open pit while plumbing a mop sink. We were the HVAC contractors working on the roof. We were not even working in the same area and had no way of knowing what the plumbers were doing. OSHA didn’t care. Every company who was working the job got hit with a fine for continuing work on an unsafe site. It’s complete bullshit but, at the same time, everyone onsite is going to think twice about ever working with those plumbers again. So even though it’s complete and utter shit, it is probably the most effective tool at their disposal with current laws.
You can tell the trully advanced countries from the backwards ones by them having fines which are proportional to income/wealth rather than fixed.
The only ones I know which are the former are in Scandinavia.
The UK theoretically also has that for Court fines (it’s in the conviction guidance, which means it’s optional), but in practice not really.
You think a municipality can issue proportional fines just because it wants to? They don’t write the laws.
…ok? And therefore what?
When you can’t take out the head, you sweep the legs.
We can’t get Trump or his minions in Washington right now. But if we go after ICE and DHS people with massive civil fines, he’ll run out of people willing to do his bidding.
Fines are more civil and not subject to pardon.
State criminal charges are not subject to federal pardons either.
This is a federal judge, can she rule on state charges?
Isn’t there more to it than that because these are federal agents? Asking.
Depending on circumstances, federal agents can be charged with state crimes.
Who gives a fuck about showing the Nazis civility? Punch them in the dicks and take their shit
I think they meant civil versus criminal rather than nice vs mean.
I think you’re both right.
Fair enough. That isn’t how I interpreted the comment but you could be right
Oh ok. Then yeah we should probably just bend over.
Wait, you don’t mean ‘civil’ as in polite, right?
But, we’re paying them
