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We all knew this was going to happen one day or another.
Where’s Theora these days, byw? Wasn’t it the encoding blessed by the license druids?
The title is a bit misleading. What does that mean for the future of AV1?
if Dolby wins, everyone implementing AV1 (or maybe just parties that profit from it?) will have to pay Dobly royalties, even though AV1 is royalty-free
So just to be clear for all of you:
Dolby is not a creator of AV1, Dolby is not in charge of licensing decisions for AV1. All companies involved in HVEC and AV1 have not performed bait and switch.
What has happened is that Dolby alleges that they already have a patent on parts of what makes AV1 work. This may be an accident, or maybe someone stole Dolby’s tech. This may be something that can be fixed by changing how the software works, without breaking the file format.
It will be interesting to see how this one plays out.
Also, I’ve been saying it for 30 years at this point, and I will keep saying it: FUCK patents, software patents especially, and fuck the stupid system of capitalism for making them necessary
AV1 has been out almost ten years and Dolby’s first case is with Snapchat? Bruh
Which is a damn good point. If you don’t protect a patent in a reasonable time frame I believe you lose the right to protect it. If Dolby has had this patent for a long time, and allowed it to become part of a standard, it may be a quick dismissal of the case.
Dolby: we have a patent that ugh let’s you do shit to a file so it comes out in another format. We own all formats now and forever!
Thats what ambiguity enables, a logical fallacy that let’s evil corpos to do as they please. And thats basically capitalism, or even feudalism at this point.
Patents on software shouldn’t exist!
Patents
on softwareshouldn’t exist!This is my take.
5 year patents should exist IMHO. I think that’s a reasonable chance to monetise an invention. Short enough to remove the use of patents as munitions between companies.
After that it’s open season and you’ve allowed society to use it in any way in return for that 5 year protection.
Patents onsoftware shouldn’t existFuck it
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tentson softwareshouldn’t exist
I agree. It‘s the only way to actually overcome capitalism. Same rules for all is important of course.
Come to Europe, then :)
Screw Dolby. I’ll only ever encode in AV1 and in the future AV2. HEVC won’t ever be ubiquitous like h.264 and VVC has already had support dropped by Intel processors after only one generation of hardware support. 6 years after the standard was finalized and VVC is still practically non-existent in consumer hardware
For what it’s worth, HEVC seems to have much better hardware support than AV1.
AV1 encodes are also extremely rare when it comes to unofficial content releases.
Til Intel had and dropped support for VVC. Also TIL it’s 6 years old I thought it was still in active development.
Why exactly are they targeting a non-governing member of the alliance?
Because Snap has less resources for a long legal fight than Google, Amazon and so on…
Rather, the AV1 specification was developed after many foundational video coding patents had already been filed, and AV1 incorporates technologies that are also present in HEVC.
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This wording is wild. They did not say that AV1 uses patented material - they said that AV1 includes some technologies that are in HEVC. Dolby doesn’t have a case, and they know it. They are trying to use wording that twists the truth to make it sound like they are in the right.
Inventing lawyers was a mistake
Yes, but it’s also the natural conclusion to “so technically the rules say…”
I read it as Dolby saying av1 uses the same patented technology from hevc, and Dolby holds those patents.
Even though the AV1 spec was finalized 8 years ago, the HEVC patent mess was well known back then. I know that AOM put a lot of effort into working around patent problems so it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Google, Amazon, Netflix, Meta, Apple and the rest of AOM all have a lot on the line if the patent trolls win.
but I’ve been standardising my library on AV1
Maybe I should just reencode all my stuff in VVC 😮💨
So not royalty-free?
The license is royalty free. AOMedia requires it’s contributors to contribute royalty free, and AOMedia has worked hard to ensure it doesn’t infringe anyone else’s IP, but that doesn’t stop other companies (some patent trolls) from asserting “You can’t do xyz without infringing some obscure patent I own.” These companies (like Dolby) target the companies that license AV1, and say “You’ve infringed my IP. Pay me $x per product that implements AV1, or I will sue you for much greater damages.” So AV1 really is licensed royalty free, what we have here is a third party that isn’t part of AOMedia (that really liked making money the old way) trying to extract revenue on dubious claims of patent essentiality.
The fun part is that nobody really knows (or cares) whether AV1 is really infringing any IP. They know that the threat of litigation is likely to induce enough people to just pay that the whole charade is worth it. And perhaps ironically, the companies like Dolby want to litigate even less than the companies they are threatening because litigation tends to be a winner take all thing. If they lose, then nobody pays them; not even the companies they bullied into paying. The video codec IP world has operated this way for decades. This is what AOMedia hoped to change. It’s Governing Members are some heavy hitters. If they were to defend AV1, they could easily out-muscle players like Dolby. That might happen, but these sorts of things play out over a very long time horizon.
Okay ty
fascist fighting fascist… this is how it was expected to be in the end times
