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Why do some people just have the worst fucking ideas…and why is “some” starting to feel like “most”
Because media propaganda makes it seem as if the majority have certain views. People don’t like to be on the outside so if the media can trick people into conforming then they will try that.
happy fediverse birthday!
Oh, thanks! I hadn’t noticed actually!
Ok well I suggest Fedora Project leader get fucked. Plenty of other good distros bub.
I have a feeling that a lot of those who replied have not really read the article, that contains some nuances. I do not like the idea of age verification, but the project leader’s proposal is apparently not even official (and more like a hypothetical in a discussion thread on their forums.
Please read more than headlines, lol.
But it’s boring and won’t give you the feelingn of being right.
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However… ive read the associated analysis of the California bill that reads directly on legislative intent:
quoting he Cali Senate Judiciary Committee analysis : file:///home/jspaleta/Downloads/202520260AB1043_Senate%20Judiciary.pdf
Why are we listening to a person who tried to link a file directly from their downloads folder?
Also the original post that the article is referencing on the fedora forums is suggesting that we remove all networking support from baseline linux as some way to comply/circumvent the law.
I’m sorry, but I just can’t take anything said in that forum post seriously.
Dang, am I about to become an Arch user?
I already got BSD on a spare laptop. Granted it was freeBSD and I think I might switch to OpenBSD since the latter’s foundation is Canadian and not US based.
Theres also artix which is basically arch without systemd.
It’s a lot easier to use than one would guessed it at first. Much easier, than wrestling with getting the right cmake/gcc versions every time on Debian the moment you don’t want to use not a 2+ years old version of something.
If youre not picky and want to use the default setups, arch install is so easy now. The script is very easy to follow and takes like 10 mins to install depending on your network speed. The only “hard” part during the install is connect to the internet. But iwctl takes care of that
As long as I have root, I’m as old as I wanna be.
Not if age verification is done by a digital signature from the smart card in your government issued ID.
sudo rm /bin/evil-age-verification-binaryOr if it’s done through systemd: git clone, remove the offending code, and compile.
I already skipped all these tedious steps: Void Linux with runit .
so you’re a few steps behind me then, i threw my computers in the trash and started a farm
For solutions that back on actually “verifying” the age by requiring credit card or government ID, those suck.
As described, this is an administrator self describing the age, which doesn’t mean much to anyone except kids of people who apply parental controls to systems their kids have access to.
Accounts already require your “full name” but we don’t consider that “full name verification”.
This proposal seems to be in the spirit of least intrusive means to let parents opt into this stuff if they want, with no ties to identity compromising third party/state “verification”.
Question is whether this sort of solution that at least gives parents some chance will satisfy the lawmakers long term. For the wave of laws now, it seems to suffice to self attest age.
Accounts already require your “full name” but we don’t consider that “full name verification”.
They don’t require anything. You can leave that empty or just put John Doe. All that is required for an account on a Linux system is a username and a password.
Well strictly speaking the full name field is always there, but a lot of people have the full name “”.
But less pedantic, perhaps require was the writing word, but same principle, put whatever you want in dob field, default to 1970 or something.
I don’t think they were referring to Linux in general, I think it was specifically talking about Fedora
I don’t think fedora has unique requirements for user info
Welp… There goes Fedora!..
Oh wait, there aren’t people chiming in to call me a fucking idiot and a stupid man child and all the other talking points for suggesting that the systemd merge was going to escalate?
Fascinating. I wonder where they all went. Maybe they’re on the BSD forums now, but somehow I doubt it.
Sure I can chime in here.
You did actually read the post correct? Not just the title? The original poster, Jef, is talking about implementing a Unix socket or a dbus protocol similar to what apple already has. They are literally just referencing their definition for a struct.
So no this will not be ID verification, it won’t ask for face scans, and it won’t necessarily send the data anywhere.
The article is just using the big A word as some boogeyman to generate clicks and further rile up the community.
The systemd change is benign and this is not proof of your slippery slope theory.
I read it and just like the systemd merge, this isn’t the end for this.
We can circle back when it turns into full blown identification standards though if its more comfortable for you to come to terms with the reality then.
I just want to make sure that we do agree on a few things.
- Requiring actual ID verification and/or face scans is bad and cannot be effectively anonymized.
- That many of the current bills do not require ID verification or face scans. This includes the California one that the systemd merge request cites as well as the Colorado one that it mostly identical.
- The laws in their current form are poorly written and clearly misunderstand how modern general purpose computers work and are referred to.
Given that, I think we can ultimately agree that the NY, UK, Germany, and I think also the Brazil laws are bad and cannot be fixed with simple updates to language.
So let’s focus on the law’s that do not require actual verification since that is what the systemd change cites.
What issues do you have outside of that they are poorly written and ineffective or that they are a slippery slope/frog in a pot/tip of the spear?
This is not about my comfort this is about what these laws actually require rather than some imaginary law that has not even been written yet.
I figured that someone might latch onto that “necessarily” and that’s the great thing about open-source. If that distro/application/os does misuse your data then don’t use it or fork it.
Oh no more people are talking about how to implement the least possible invasive version of age verification! Now they’re referencing standards for it!
Yeah, some of us really don’t want our home PCs directly contributing to the surveillance state, and we sure as hell don’t appreciate pre-compliance to the demands of increasingly fascistic states.
Unless I’m mistaken everything being discussed here is still entirely within the context of your own system. Every date you put in is unverified and would only serve for something like parental control tools.
Unless I’m mistaken everything being discussed here is still entirely within the context of your own system. Every date you put in is unverified and would only serve for something like parental control tools.
That would be covered by the
and we sure as hell don’t appreciate pre-compliance to the demands of increasingly fascistic states.
part.
That’s cool but we don’t want any which you seem to not understand.
That’s cool, just lie? Like there’s no verification process going on here, this is a field on your system that can be set to whatever you want which will empower parents to keep their children out of platforms like discord where they will be predated on, and can be completely ignored by users like me who do not have any reason to restrict my own system. But keep pitching a fit over this little bullshit instead of actual age verification policies that are going to require your face id, government id, etc for every platform you interface with.
That’s cool but we don’t want any which you seem to not understand.
inb4
sudo usermod —birthday “1970-01-01”Ah yes, the beginning of history.
In the beginning,
GodK&R created thedinosaurstime_t.
Glad I ditched Fedora a while ago.
That’s not enough. Just like with systemd, you will be made to care about what the corporatist Microsoft-garglers at Red Hat do, whether you use it or not.
We’re not legally required to have age verification here so if they try that shit here we’re just Gina nice to Arch :/
Yeahhhh
We use Debian and ripped out systemd (replaced it with openrc) a bit before all this happened. Feeling really good about that choice now.
(unrelated: plural gang! :3)
– Frost
We’re still relatively new to Linux even after a year of switching. Started learning more about the terminal just to get comfortable with it and it’s not hard at all, just got to remember ask the commands haha (did make a cheat sheet lol)
(Unrelated: Yoooo plural gang!!! :D) -PJ & Sam
(*wags tail at both PJ and Sam!!* =.=)
yeah! Terminal’s super useful but also kind of daunting.
If y’all haven’t seen the man pages, they make an excellent reference. Honestly, they’re basically written more as reference than as tutorial type stuff most of the time. So that’s there whenever your cheatsheet doesn’t cover something.
Also we use zsh (without plugins, you don’t need plugins) and it’s got really fancy autocomplete. We can just type
-and hit tab and get a list of all the options for that command (that zsh knows about; I don’t think it goes and reads man pages for you or anything like that). I can’t remember how you turn that on but I think it’s something you can do from zsh’s initial setup wizard. I don’t know if bash can do the same thing or not, I think probably not (but we’re not super up to date on bash).(I’d avoid fish, which you might also run into if you go looking for fancy features. It’s known for really fancy features but it’s also not compatible with normal shell scripts, which’ll screw you up if you ever want to get into scripting. zsh does normal shell script syntax (with the exception of protecting you if you forget to quote your variables) and also has really nice fancy features like the autocomplete.)
– Frost
Got ya, will look into the zhs!! Sounds super useful. And yush found out about the man from a tutorial for useful commands in terminal. 90% of the time we’re converting files with ffmpeg and running yt-dlp lol -PJ
