• UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      I’ve seen a lot of that, including tweets from bazingas that show wacky shit like car doors falling off but then say “STILL LOVE THE CAR THOUGH!” so-true

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      Yyyyyyyup. I was hoping to get away from reddit’s hivemind of “Teslas are shit cars” but with Musk at the helm I don’t think that’s possible. Are they perfect? No. Are they awesome? IMO, yes.

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        Tesla’s are shit cars though, and it has nothing to do with Musk. They have little to no driver feedback. The UX of their driver control systems are unresponsive and require the driver to take their eyes from the road. The idea of self-driving cars is a pipe dream that solves zero problems and simply aggravates existing individual transport problems.

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          Counterpoints:

          • Cosmetic build quality issues aside, they require practically zero maintenance (tires and windshield fluid) and there are less moving parts to break. So far they’ve proven to be very reliable.
          • Driver feedback is subjective and I find your claim straight-up obtuse in meaning. I quite enjoy windy roads and the smoothness of the EV drivetrain.
          • The UX of my Tesla is practically-perfectly responsive and most of what you want to do has either physical or voice controls.
          • Autopilot is good bordering great but still needs work. FSD is indeed a pipe dream with the current fleet.
          • It’s fast as fuck.
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            Toyotas require virtually zero maintenance as well. The difference is that when you do need maintenance, it doesn’t cost a kidney and you can find a shop anywhere with the parts and expertise, or do it yourself at home

            it’s fast as fuck

            How is this a good thing? 40,000 deaths in America due to cars. Every year.

            UX is perfect

            Lol. Everything is in the center of the car instead of right in front of me

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              Lol seriously? My passengers find the manual release by accident the first time they go to get out. It’s exactly where you would expect it to be.

              “Extra! Extra! Some people are idiots!”

              Keep trying, bud.

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                Keep trying, bud.

                What are you even doing on the FuckCars section of this site anyway? Do you want to be congratulated for your sunk-cost fallacy cope

                “Extra! Extra! Some people are idiots!”

                Some people say smug things like that, but then spend a lot of money on bad purchases and need to tell internet strangers that those bad purchases must be good purchases and any evidence to the contrary is from a bad source because it isn’t a Tesla circlejerk in your favor. fry

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            Cosmetic build quality issues aside, they require practically zero maintenance (tires and windshield fluid) and there are less moving parts to break. So far they’ve proven to be very reliable.

            This applies to all electric cars, this isn’t exclusive to Tesla. And other electric cars don’t have panel gaps.

            Driver feedback is subjective and I find your claim straight-up obtuse in meaning. I quite enjoy windy roads and the smoothness of the EV drivetrain.

            The Tesla drives like an appliance, particularly in comparison to what are often considered “driver’s cars”. Nothing wrong with it, but don’t expect car enthusiasts to like it.

            The UX of my Tesla is practically-perfectly responsive and most of what you want to do has either physical or voice controls.

            most

            voice controls

            Physical buttons are superior, and have been for decades. Voice controls and touchscreens are decisions made on a budget basis, not a UX basis, because they are objectively worse. It’s corner-cutting, not improvement.

            Autopilot is good bordering great but still needs work. FSD is indeed a pipe dream with the current fleet.

            Are you calling Musk a liar?!? FSD has been coming “next year” for like six years now!!!

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              Translates as: “I drive like an absolute cunt.”

              Translates as: “I actually have no idea how this person drives.”

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        Did they fix the fact you can’t open the door from the inside if the power is out without an instruction manual and fingernails?

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        Awesome? I can’t even find the odometer without going through 50 different menus. And the brain genius wants to implement a yoke instead of a steering wheel. Dumbasses spending money on the dumbest products

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          What a silly thing to complain about. TWO touches to get total mileage. Boo-fucking-hoo.

          Yoke is optional becaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuse people didn’t want it. They listened to their customers. Wow, what a terrible move.

          Real c/fuck_cars take there.

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            I’m sorry, there’s no positive here on the yoke thing. Literally anybody who isn’t a 14 year old who has never driven a car before should understand a yoke is a shitty, stupid thing to replace a wheel with. That mistake didn’t require putting the shit on the market and then going “oh wow I guess this much worse thing isn’t better after all, huh”. Like, seriously, the dumbest motherfuckers must have been involved in that decision from start to finish.

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              I guess we’ll just ignore the tons of positive feedback regarding the yoke out there. Oh well.

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                Then why did they discontinue it if it wasn’t a stupid idea? Oh well.

                I just want to go into the thing itself a little bit here… What vehicles do we see “yoke” style steering wheels on? Racing cars and karts. Why do we see yokes on those vehicles specifically? Extremely fast steering racks that will go lock-to-lock in a half or quarter turn, coupled with cockpits that either do not allow enough arm movement due to restraints or space to have more wheel movement. Are Teslas cramped inside with arm restraints because they’re open-top racecars? Do they have racing racks that go lock to lock in a quarter turn? Are Teslas driven like a racecar, where both hands will always be on the wheel unless you’re banging through gears? No.

                It’s a child’s view of the world that spawned the idea of putting yokes in Teslas, because the child (Musk) saw racecars and was too ignorant to understand why they had yokes. Techbros and their consequences, etc.

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        That is kind of the funny thing about autos. Like most manufacturers are terrible in many ways. Environment, political, the way they treat people or how shitty their quality control is. Planned obsolescence. There is still a fake “supply demand” issue that they have literally concocted to jack prices through the roof. Literally price gouging asking 15k over MRSP because they pretend they have a supply issue lol.

        All the US majors are in on this scam and it’s sad we don’t have a government worth a fuck to fight it…

        Elon is just mouthy about it lol. I couldn’t even tell you who the CEO of GMC is. They are awful as well tho.

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          The problem unique to car companies is that the Repubs are beholden to the car companies and the only unions big enough and worth a shit in the US is the UAW, and Democrats are beholden to anything they need.

          So you literally can’t do anything to regulate the industry without pissing off one or the other. The car companies will use any legislation raised against them to lay off union jobs.

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              Sure. Also Right-to-work legislation. Red States race to the bottom with worker protections.

              Still the most powerful, tho.

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        Yeah; it’s very strange. The new online norm seems to be “don’t buy anything from a company if the primary person is a jerk.”

        Meanwhile everyone online is buying stuff from jerks. They are just less vocal about it.

        I REALLY don’t care to research every company I buy something from. Even if I know the primary person is a jerk, I still don’t care unless there is a near equal alternative.

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          Yes, nearly every product is made by assholes, rapists, abusers, and so on. The difference is that teslas are shit cars with a child in charge of design

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            The point here is that the main guy is like the biggest asshole, but the product itself is also ass while pretending not to be, likely fucking up the future “innovation” to be more fucking trash like this