For all your boycotting needs. I’m sure there’s some mods caught in lemmy.ml’s top 10 that are perfectly upstanding and reasonable people, my condolences for the cross-fire.

  1. !memes@lemmy.world and !memes@sopuli.xyz. Or of course communities that rule.
  2. !asklemmy@lemmy.world
  3. !linux@programming.dev. Quite small, plenty of more specific ones available. Also linux is inescapable on lemmy anyway :)
  4. !programmer_humor@programming.dev
  5. !world@lemmy.world
  6. !privacy@lemmy.world and maybe !privacyguides@lemmy.one, lemmy.one itself seems to be up in the air. !fedigrow@lemm.ee says !privacy@lemmy.ca. They really seem to be hiding even from another, those tinfoil hats :)
  7. !technology@lemmy.world
  8. Seems like !comicstrips@lemmy.world and !comicbooks@lemmy.world, various smaller comic-specifc communities as well as !eurographicnovels@lemm.ee
  9. !opensource@programming.dev
  10. !fuckcars@lemmy.world

(Out of the loop? Here’s a thread on lemmy.ml mods and their questionable behaviour)

  • jumjummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2921·
    1 month ago

    The world news community on .ml is just Russian and Chinese propoganda.

      • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        1 month ago

        Clearly the American point of view is neutral, the default, and the truth, so it doesn’t count as propaganda.

          • Urist@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            1 month ago

            I had to do a double take because this sentiment is prevalent throughout lemmy.world and other instances.

        • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
          0·
          1 month ago

          It’s not even about which view is right or neutral. On .world posts and comments critical of the US aren’t mass censored like .ml does with posts critical of China, Russia or the former USSR.

          • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
            01·
            1 month ago

            That’s true to some extent. I don’t agree with hard censorship like that, but there is also the risk of getting astroturfed and brigaded like reddit, which had a clear example as far back as 2013 where Eglin Air Force Base, FL showed up as “most addicted city”. The goal of censorship is to give your own opinions more space, so I’m not exactly upset if other instances are moderated in a different way when there are plenty of other instances moderated in a different way. The fediverse offers plenty of space.

    • suction@lemmy.worldEnglish
      619·
      1 month ago

      I mean it’s obviously run by Russia so anything that makes people realise you can’t trust anything that comes out of it is good.

      • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        52·
        1 month ago

        “Here you see one of the prime examples of a lemmy.world liberal turned xenophobe. Swallowing up the hate towards current enemy of the USA and projecting it onto everything they don’t like”

        Like I don’t think the .ml admins are remotely in the right, but politically illiterate libs seeing ghosts everywhere is funny af
        (or at least it would be if they didn’t generalize everything evil in this world on Russians or Chinese and dominate one of the largest Lemmy instances)

        - Yours truly, an actually Russian person with a migration background <3

  • PolydoreSmith@lemmy.worldEnglish
    102·
    1 month ago

    So, I’ve been on lemmy.world since I joined last year and everyone’s saying it’s too big. Lemmy.ml is the next-largest so I’m conflicted. What do?

  • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    1 month ago

    This may sound cheesy but this list is the healthy way to solve the issue people had with Lemmy.ml moderation. Thank you for compiling it, I didn’t reliaze there were instances for programming and anime. Glad to see a solution where we didn’t have to go through the adults (admins and mods in this case).

    Also, it’s healthy for the fediverse to see communities spread on to many instances but it does make Lemmy harder for your average redditor to understand (but long term goal of a healthy fediverse is more important).

    Also !greentext@sh.itjust.works is a bit more active than !4chan@lemmy.world

  • FiveMacs@lemmy.caEnglish
    913·
    1 month ago

    I just block the users who need blocking.

    Enjoy segregating all the communities…I guess

    • BaroqueInMind@lemmy.oneEnglish
      102·
      1 month ago

      Enjoy segregating all the communities…I guess

      I do not know what you think is going on here, but that’s literally the fucking point of all the Lemmys.

      • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
        36·
        1 month ago

        I disagree. The decentralization is thought through at an instance level, not community level. If it was thought through at a community level we’d have tools to aggregate different communities. The current solution is the equivalent of having multiple steering wheels on a car, nobody thought how you’d actually steer the car so you were given the option to steer each wheel separately. It might make sense on a superficial level but if you thought about how users actually use the thing you’d know it’s not the best way to do things.

        • Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish
          5·
          1 month ago

          People have the ability to block communities as they see fit individually and also follow whatever communities they want and only browse their subscribed list. (steering wheel)

          But when popular communities are on an instance that is very much “get on board or get out” to the point they ban users from every community on their instance for having differing political views, it is very much reasonable to try to start or promote communities run on different instances controlled by better admins. (where the roads go (ok, so building roads is a bad analogy, it is more like when a place has terrible sidewalks so people walk through the grass and they wear in those little dirt-path short cuts and eventually no one uses the sidewalks))

          • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            1 month ago

            You missed to point. Compare instances to communities.

            Instances are not isolated. It doesn’t matter much which instance you join because as long as your instance is federated with other instances you can still participate in the communities you want to participate in. If you don’t like your instances, you can join a different instance and as long as that other instance is federated the same way you can get get the exact same experience on a different instance. That means instances are decentralized.

            Communities are isolated. It matters which community you join because each post and comment is contained within that community. If you join a small community and there’s a bigger community elsewhere you won’t be able to participate in the bigger community. If you dislike a community and join a different community you can’t get the exact same experience because you can’t interact with the same posts. All of that means communities are centralized.

            The reason we have popular communities in the first place is because communities are centralized. Centralized communities also work against the decentralization as your example also pointed out, because instances can leverage their communities.

            This is also what I alluded to my steering wheels analogy. We don’t have tools to decentralize communities. We have a steering wheel for each community instead of one wheel for all communities that are essentially the same.

  • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3129·
    1 month ago

    There’s also all of these communities on Reddit if you’re truly unhappy that the volunteer owned and run social media you signed up for isn’t being astroturfed with US-Israeli state press releases.

  • Mastengwe@lemm.eeEnglish
    1519·
    1 month ago

    Love seeing this happen. That shithole needs to be defederated. The mod logs are FULL of butthurt mods banning people over and o Ver again for violating the Don’t Post Shit We Don’t Like rule, or… “Rule 1” to everyone else.

  • Lvxferre@mander.xyzEnglish
    231·
    1 month ago

    The way that I see it, the issue with lemmy ml’s administration and moderation is not quite political in origin. It’s about transparency; and I think that this wall of text that I wrote about how lemmy dot ml handled ani.social shows it well, as the dispute in question was not political in nature. (I can abridge it at request.)

    With that out of the way, most of your suggestions boil down to “use lemmy.world instead”. I don’t have anything against LW’s administration, but I think that it’s foolish to concentrate people and activity there even further, it defeats the point of a federation. That instance is already 40% of the MAUs, and hosts the largest comms using Lemmy.

    • GamingChairModel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      32·
      1 month ago

      I think that it’s foolish to concentrate people and activity there even further, it defeats the point of a federation.

      It defeats some of the points of federation, but there are still a lot of reasons why federation is still worth doing even if there’s essentially one dominant provider. Not least of which is that sometimes the dominant provider does get displaced over time. We’ve seen it happen with email a few times, where the dominant provider loses market share to upstarts, one of whom becomes the new dominant provider in some specific use case (enterprise vs consumer, mobile vs desktop vs automation/scripting, differences by nation or language), and where the federation between those still allows the systems to communicate with each other.

      Applied to Lemmy/kbin/mbin and other forum-like social link aggregators, I could see LW being dominant in the English-speaking, American side of things, but with robust options outside of English language or communities physically located outside of North America. And we’ll all still be able to interact.

    • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
      6·
      1 month ago

      The way that I see it, the issue with lemmy ml’s administration and moderation is not quite political in origin. It’s about transparency

      Well it’s really both. The issue is the combination of a number of factors which on their own would be fairly easy to deal with, but put together they are very problematic:

      1. The admins are political extremists
      2. lemmy.ml has a very prominent position in the lemmyverse, because they were first and got a headstart
      3. The admins are actively using their position to heavily police discussion according to their extremist political views. The fact that they’re not being transparent about it is aggravating, but not the root problem.

      This prominent position of lemmy.ml is the fundamental difference with the hexbear or lemmygrad situation. Those instances can easily be contained at the user level: most people can just block and ignore them entirely because nothing interesting happens on those instances for non-extremists. Not so with lemmy.ml, which hosts a number of large bona-fide communities.

      So I think it’s necessary to make a concerted effort to reduce lemmy.ml’s prominence in the fediverse, so that political extremists can’t put their thumb on the scale to nudge discussion in a certain direction. Part of that effort is raising awareness about lemmy.ml’s nature, which is what this PSA does, but that likely won’t be enough due to network effect. It will take more to get people to move their communities to other instances. If other large instances, like lemmy.world, would block lemmy.ml that would provide a real stimulus for a large amount of people to move away from lemmy.ml.

      With that out of the way, most of your suggestions boil down to “use lemmy.world instead”. I don’t have anything against LW’s administration, but I think that it’s foolish to concentrate people and activity there even further

      I agree that spreading out more would be desirable, but on the other hand “just use lemmy.world instead of lemmy.ml” is a very simple and practical suggestion to move away from ml.

    • barsoap@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      86·
      1 month ago

      With that out of the way, most of your suggestions boil down to “use lemmy.world instead”.

      It’s where big replacement communities happen to be, that’s all there is to it. Avoiding centralisation is a good thing in general but “tired of .ml mods? Here’s alternatives” isn’t the right time to go for it I think. Maybe the admins can come up with a scheme to round-robin disable community creation or something, to spread things out. Also, community migration is in the pipeline software-wise that would help a lot.

  • corymbia@reddthat.comEnglish
    1124·
    1 month ago

    “Asklemmy.ml” just asked about if anyone had been at any important event televised events.

    Mmmm. Guess what.

    I mentioned Tiananmen Square 1989: INSTA-BAN!!!

    It would be funny if it wasn’t such a horrible thing.

    • Anas@lemmy.worldEnglish
      273·
      1 month ago

      You do realize that mod logs are public, right? That’s not why you were banned

      • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.caEnglish
        52·
        1 month ago

        I’m not sure how to access monologs, and the Voyager app doesn’t support them. Give a noob a quick tutorial?

        • Anas@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          1 month ago

          You can access mod logs on Voyager. Go to your profile, it’s under “Moderator Zone”.

        • cyberic@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          121·
          1 month ago

          I go to the web to a post on the user’s instance and click Modlog on the bottom. From there you can sort by user and see their banned posts as well as the ban reason. (The commenter’s reason is because of Spam)

          • lugal@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            31·
            1 month ago

            Is it the stated reason or is it legitimate? I didn’t check but I assume they iterate through arbitrary reasons

              • lugal@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                12·
                1 month ago

                You told me not to check but I was a bit naughty and did check it. They got banned for “botspam” for writing one comment. Make of it what you like

                • Anas@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  1 month ago

                  They got banned for “botspam” for writing the same comment twice on two different posts, completely off topic. And that exact same comment was spammed by another account.

                  EDIT: Filter the mod log by users “reddthat.com/corymbia” and “lemmy.today/jobby”.

                  EDIT 2: they were banned before the actual spam, my bad

  • Lad@reddthat.comEnglish
    2426·
    1 month ago

    Everyone should defederate from lemmy.world, the Reddit of Lemmy.

    • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.worldEnglish
      132·
      1 month ago

      I like to think that a lot of the more “Reddity” Reddit refugees from .world, those who tend toward pearl clutching theatrics like these posts, will eventually head back to Reddit. Maybe they’ll find their perfect alternative, where there are no dev or admin issues and everyone has a comforting (for them) center-left to center-right, Western ideology driven political stance that never challenges their preconceptions.