Out of curiosity, why are no other countries accepting Palestinian refugees?
Out of curiosity what caused them to be refugees in the first place?
Probably the fact that they started a war on Oct. 7th that they can’t win, as a starting point for escalation of conflict specifically.
So they weren’t refugees before Oct 7th?
or under occupation
Well they certainly weren’t building infrastructure for their own citizens with all the materials and money. shrug
Almost like they’re occupied and controlled by a foreign power/state?
Probably the fact that they started a war on Oct. 7th that they can’t win, as a starting point for escalation of conflict specifically.
So you are going to just ignore 76 years of history about this situation? Also Palestinians did not attack on 7 October 2023, it was Hamas. Normal Palestinian civilians are innocent. I will once again copy-past what, I said to another Lemmy user because it seems some particular people can’t (or won’t) do research themselves:
‘’Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).
Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the horrifying things Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.’’
If you want to go on the route ‘’who started this war’’; it’d be Israel and Britian who ‘’gave’’ the land to them.
that they can’t win, as a starting point for escalation of conflict specifically.
Obvious they cannot ‘win’ because it’s Israel state and the US country (US giving billions to Israel) versus a group of people. Hamas want their land, homes and humans right back.
The normal Palestinian civilians do not even want to fight at all. All they want is have human rights, be able to be free from occupation, torture. They don’t want to their entire families to be murdered out just because they’re Palestinians. It’s immensely bad what Hamas done on 7 October but it’s also immensely bad what Israel has been doing since 1948 up until 2024 (ongoing). If you push people far enough, they will fight back in the worst way possible and that’s happened.
Also imagine this; you are in your house with five family members. Suddenly group of 10 strangers force their way into your home, kill all your family members and force you in the bathroom for 10 years. For 10 years they have been living now, you manage to escape, fight back and kill several of these people. Now suddenly you are the aggressor, committed a crime and they (who took your home and killed your family) are the victims. That do be insane if it really happens right?
Well newsflash, that is truly happening to the Palestinian people.
The other nations don’t want to give Israel an excuse for a displacement genocide, they want the world to see Israel for what it is.
If they accept the refugees Israel isn’t going to let them go home eventually. If they don’t, Israel either stops or kills everyone.
This makes your average Palestinians a diplomatic pawn, but that’s rarely a problem to the ruling class no matter their nation.
Nice to have some big institutions put their name in it. Albeit rather late.
I have come to the conclusion most people do not have functioning eyes and brains and will only listen to authority. So this can be linked to them.
To the “no shit” and “this is obvious” people, agreed. However, “this is obvious, just look” is nowhere near as good an argument as one with actual data. Especially when looked at in the future with a historical lens.
No shit
More evidence for when zionists cry there’s no proof
University Network for Human Rights, the International Human Rights Clinic at Boston University School of Law, the International Human Rights Clinic at Cornell Law School, the Centre for Human Rights at the University of Pretoria, and the Lowenstein Human Rights Project at Yale Law School
Crazy. I never expected to see big Ivy League school names there but here we are. Even the most status quo and US aligned universities are now calling it a genocide.
To be fair there’s a pretty big difference between the professors and the administration. The university boards haven’t changed their position because wealthy alumni threatened to stop giving money. (This is also what got the president of Harvard fired.)
Professors have been out there with the students the entire time.
The “study” appears to be a paper from a student group at a liberal arts university in Wesleyan, Connecticut.
While I’m sure Wesleyan University is a fine school, calling it a “coalition of prestigious academic institutions” is a bit of a stretch.
So… uni students upset over things they saw on TikTok put 105 pages of whatever crap they could dreg up from the internet into a PDF and post it onto their squarespace page. “Middle East Monitor” links to the “study” says it’s from a “coalition of prestigious academic institutions”. And then a link to this “news” site gets posted to Lemmy.
And here we are.
The study, conducted by the University Network for Human Rights, the International Human Rights Clinic at Boston University School of Law, the International Human Rights Clinic at Cornell Law School, the Centre for Human Rights at the University of Pretoria, and the Lowenstein Human Rights Project at Yale Law School, presents a thorough legal analysis of Israel’s conduct in the context of the Genocide Convention of 1948.
I think you read the wrong article or hasbara answer
See you Space Cowboy…
Not what I expected to see from a Bebop fan. I guess they weren’t wailing the blues when the doctor whacked their bottom on the day they were born.
I mean, it’s no anime pfp, but it’s close.
Ah… some other student groups joined in.
They don’t mention their associations with these other universities on their squarespace page. But there’s some coalition that the “University Network for Human Rights” is a part of, so maybe these other groups are a part of that?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cavallaro
James Cavallaro is a law professor that teaches or has taught at Wesleyan… And also Yale, Columbia, and UC Berkeley. He’s currently the executive director of the University Network for Human Rights, and before that founded the International Human Rights and Conflict Resolution Clinic at, uh let’s see here… Oh yeah, Stanford.
Also, Wesleyan University, by the way, rivals Ivy League schools as far as academic rigor goes.
You trying to diminish the validity of these organizations would work a lot better if you bothered to Google them for five seconds first.
conducted by the University Network for Human Rights, the International Human Rights Clinic at Boston University School of Law, the International Human Rights Clinic at Cornell Law School, the Centre for Human Rights at the University of Pretoria, and the Lowenstein Human Rights Project at Yale Law School
So yeah, big names there. I’m not hopeful about it changing Biden’s mind, though.
The study doesn’t count because it’s hamas
Hasn’t changed US foreign policy for decades, so yeah probably not. From arming to giving Israel protection in the UN, the US is all in on Palestinian genocide. The US does not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC because the court could be used for “political reasons”. This goes back to the creation of the ICC, which the Clinton admin helped to form but then vote against. Israel, Russia, Israel, China, Libya, and Qatar are the only countries who do not recognize the jurisdiction of the court. There is a through line on why they don’t: it is because of what they have already done and continue to do that would levy charges at the court. In fact the US has the American Service Members Protection Act to make cooperation with the court next to impossible.
TL:DR; the US has been complicit in Palestinian genocide since Eisenhower.
Yeah, like being affiliated to universities is some kind of stamp of trustworthiness at this point… After the pro-Hamas protests that took place in said universities, and the persecution of Jewish students who were basically blocked from attending school.
Are you under the bizarre impression that the people who conducted this study were the same people you’re saying persecuted Jewish students?
If so, do you have any evidence for that?
Because those universities have hundreds of faculty members at a minimum and thousands of students.
But I know what’s the dominant doctrine in western universities related to the Israel/Hamas war. They’re mostly pro-Hamas. I know there are students that don’t condone this worldview, but they’re strongly penalized by peer pressure and institutional pressure (try being pro-Israel knowing your professor is pro-Hamas… Your grades will surely be affected negatively). When there’s incidents of students suffering antisemitism, the administration of those universities have shown they’re extremely lax on the perpetrators. It’s a systemic failure in respecting different worldviews, because there’s an “official” one already.
That’s why I’m saying these universities have lost a lot of credibility regarding anything related to this Israel/Hamas conflict, given the pro-Hamas protests occuring in university grounds, and the lack of any condemnation by faculty staff.
They’re mostly pro-Hamas.
That is a lie. Almost no one is pro-Hamas. What they are is people who are against Palestinian genocide and want Palestinian independence.
Or are you making the bigoted claim that Hamas and Palestinian are synonyms?
When they chant “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free”, what do you think they want? Israel is located between said river and sea, so they want to exterminate all Israeli so the land is all theirs. The extermination of all Jews is codified in written form in the Hamas Constitution.
If there are people there who only want to advocate for the Two State Solution for Israel/Palestine, that’s a fair point to make. But when these people, knowingly or unknowingly, mix themselves with people that carry Hamas flags and chant “from the river to the sea”, then they’re either useful idiots, or they’re pro-Hamas while using the pro-Palestine cause as a cop out.
So you are saying that all Palestinians are Hamas?
No. What I’m saying is that the pro-Palestine protesters in the western countries are, knowingly or unknowingly, boosting the pro-Hamas message in many cases. There are probably very few (if any) pro-Palestine protests that don’t include the presence of some degree of pro-Hamas (and by extension, pro-Extermination of all Jews) people. This manifests either in the form of Hamas Flags, explicit anti-Israel flags and demonstrations, or chants of “from the river to the sea”.
On the other hand, the pro-Israel protests are very focused on the defense of Israel territory/citizens and anti-discrimation against people of Jewish heritage. There’s no explicit call to kill/expell all Palestinians. If there is, it is very fringe and the protestors themselves would certainly eject said person from the protest. At most, the most aggressive remarks are reserved specifically to the Hamas only.
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You seem to be an Israel-supporter that is okay with the genocide.
Wanting to stop the genocide and want Israel to stop killing innocent civilians (men, women and children) is not supporting Hamas in anyway.
It is however, standing for human rights. Rights to live, rights to have a normal human condition (a home, a land, a place to be, having education and everything that’s available for humanity).
If you really want to go that way;
Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).
Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the horrifying things Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.
So the only one to blame for Hamas existing is Israel themselves.
EDIT: Checking upon your comment history, yeah. You’re definitely a Israel-supporter and probably a Zionist. I recommend anyone to check his comment history.
Here’s the comment, I meant; Him saying that Palestinians devalue their own lives.
“Study makes an obvious conclusion everybody with half a brain cell made months prior.”
