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It’s the year of the Linux desktop.
For me, it’s been the year of Linux since 2005. I do dual boot, though.
Never has been with windows on it.
#RUNBSD
BaSeD
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TempleOS it is.
That good and all for your saints and what not but how about us sinners.
Kali.
You mean that distro people use to pretend to be a hacker/security researcher. It’s just hardened Debian with a few tools installed. I’ve set something like that up in an afternoon tbh.
You don’t need to invest an afternoon because Kali exists.
The point ist that you can’t do it yourself, the point is to get something running quick without much hassle.
Don’t take it personally, it’s just a direction I haven’t seen many researchers/pen testers use. I’ve seen most run it on a virtual machine or a second computer and modify Ubuntu/Debian to better suit their needs and a primary computer/os for business transactions etc.
I can’t speak for hackers but from anecdotal evidence it seems like they can do their work on most systems but hacking hardware is just easier on Linux in general.
I love hip hop too but music is not the answer.
Always has(n’t) been.
That’s not true at all.
I disagree.
- XP felt like it was mine.
- 7 felt like it was mine
- 8 felt like they were trying to force something on me.
- 10 felt like they were pushing bloatware like a cell phone. At least l could remove some of that?
- 11 feels like they decided it’s their computer, I’m just renting time in it by watching ads. You could remove half the programs by default and I would not miss any of them. Do I need a version of minesweeper with micro transactions? No!
- 7 felt like it was mine
I remember that marketing campaign. Windows Vista had a shaky launch, because the hardware manufacturers hadn’t polished the Vista-compatible drivers yet. 6 months later, they had caught up, but people still had a bad taste from it.
So when service pack 1 came out, Microsoft made a reskinned version of it and started an ad campaign with “customers” claiming “Windows 7 was my idea!” and the public ate it up.
As I remember Vista had some areas that were hard or unintuitive to configure, Win7 cleaned up those parts.
Win7 also made the disk hungry background processes play nice, Vista would occasionally lock up with 100% CPU and disk usage while the os scanned something.
And I agree Win7 is just a reskinned Vista.
I remember my vista experience was excessive amounts of prompts to confirm it was using some privileged access for literally anything I tried to do.
Ah yes now I remember, they were very annoying.
I imagine, you guys might be measuring with two different scales. Early Windows versions were fine, but even back then, a switch to Linux would give you so much more customizability to actually make it yours.
This is a dumb anecdote, but I switched to Linux from Windows 8, and pretty much the first thing I did, was to figure out how to hide the window titlebars. Mostly because I realized, I could, but they also just took screen space away on my laptop.
I’m sorry, there’s microtransactions in minesweeper?
What the actual fuck
And unskippable ads in solitaire
I’m sorry what??? I switched from 10 to Linux becouse of how bad 11 was, but that sounds ridiculous even for Microsoft
Oh, it’s now tied into Xbox Live so you need an Xbox account, get achievements, collectibles, challenges and making it ad free requires a subscription of €1.99 per month. Not shitting you.
. . .
This is an OS (most people) pay for
What?
Windows 2000 was the last Windows that I felt I could just slap on any old hardware.
Which is weird, since Win2k definitely had lower hardware compatibility than XP, Vista, 7, etc.
It wasn’t consumer-focused and just didn’t have the driver compatibility from vendors yet.
Quite the contrary, it had exemplary compatibility, including Plug’n’Play and wide native USB support.
With the things you tried it did.
Believe me, I was part of a team testing compatibility.
XP wasn’t yours when MS pushed an update without permission or announcement.
And you were free to turn that off.
That’s the thing. It WAS off. MS blasted through with their back door
And a shortcut to open Microsoft® LinkedIn® at OS level, and what surprises me the most is that uses your default browser instead of always opening it in Edge.
Indeed, Linux and FLOSS more broadly was never about technology itself, it’s about empowering. It “just” happens to be where software change could lead to a pragmatic difference for so many lives.
Own your computer, own your devices, value your life and don’t interact with the numerical world through manipulative blinders.
That’s a perfect way to put it. I remember starting college and being really excited about the cloud, having my stuff accessible anywhere, changes automatically saved, etc etc. but now I don’t want any of my shit anywhere near their servers, it’s mine and mine alone and I’ll manage it myself and buffer against losses the best I can. I’d rather have myself fuck up and break a hard drive rather than let microsoft or apple wipe my stuff over a bug or because I didn’t pay them enough. Horrible, misleading bullshit.
I think you’d like syncthing
this.
Are there different versions of Windows 11? Mine doesn’t show ads at all.
Same
I’m curious about this. Do either of you run a custom dns for blocking ads, like adguard or pihole?
Did you turn off a bunch of stuff when you first got the PC?
Do you have corporate policies being applied in your registry?
I have Win 11 Pro. I had Starfield ads on my lock screen for a while. I also had those search recommendations, but that’s it. Now I have nothing. Maybe it’s related to EU?
Yeah, you all get all the nice things we don’t in the US.
Massgrave.dev can help you get an LTSC version of windows that have no ads
There’s a reason I run Linux, and root my Android
Because it actually feels like my device now
(And fixing issues is significantly easier, if you know where to look)
I can’t even remove the “Recommended” section from the Start menu
That’s disgusting
i mean it’s annoying but how is it disgusting?
it just shows recently opened files/software mixed in with stuff you open frequently, it’s not an ad section or anything.
but yeah i have disabled it on all my machines, because I’m not using it + disabling it adds two extra rows of pinned apps…It’s called hyperbole
Windows 10 LTSC FTW!!! I just installed it and wow is it snappier and devoid of nearly all of those annoyances. I have no idea if productivity apps are affected by its stripped down nature but for Steam gaming it’s perfect. I get less lag spikes on steamVR.
I haven’t trusted Windows in years. This is just for gaming. I have a physically separate hot swappable Optane SSDs for Linux and Windows Gaming.
For those who will winge at me for not just switching to Linux. During this process I gave a concerted effort to give Linux a go and chose Manjaro KDE to try for steamVR gaming. It sucked. Once I had worked out that it was a permissions issue (It’s always a fucking permissions issue under Linux) and just ran it under the root account, there was extremely high latency for the VR compositor to HMD display. Completely unusable as it made me sick and that’s usually very hard. I tried X11 and Wayland. Direct and Non Direct output modes. No success.
I was using Manjaro KDE and ended up switching to Pop OS because Manjaro would never work right with my GPU. Pop OS has worked very well out of the box though.
Odd. I retired from arch to Manjaro. I’m baffled at the depiction of it being difficult. It’s been a smooth 6 years so far…and yes, Nvidia.
I chose Manjaro KDE as one of the SteamVR requirements is KDE Plasma. It’s required because it has a DRM function to allow SteamVR to take ownership of the DisplayPort.
A quick google search says that PopOS is Gnome based. But KDE can be installed over it? I might give it a go.
I’m using StartAllBack (paid software), it replace the start menu with a Windows 7 like one, and brings back the pre Windows 11 taskbar, it has no ads and good customization. There’s also Open Shell that is free and Start11 that’s also paid.
I love openshell, so many options !
Definitely switch search from tab to just the windows key however
EU should force a choice for all new PC. What OS do you want to run? Windows, Linux or Android? Then you would be able to see real competition in the OS market.
Maybe something like the raspberry pi OS chooser. In the best of worlds you have everything installed and just choose in the boot menu what to run.
Some manufacturers allow you to get a refund for pre installed windows if you feel like sitting on the phone for hours. Something about a lawsuit involving Microsoft and anticompetitive contracts with the manufacturer not allowing the distribution of other operating systems.
I’ve seen a story about someone who got a refund for their dell laptop but it was slow, and the support staff was rude about it during the process. They stated things like the Microsoft software is free and why would you want to remove windows anyway, passing him from department to department. It’s often $60-$80 depending on the version of windows etc.
Edit: I should clarify it might only be a US thing, I’ve heard people in France having some luck.
i mean you can just buy a Dell laptop with a copy of Ubuntu preloaded instead, they sell those as an option with most models
It’s always better to go that route. I also understand having hardware requirements and not being able to find a version of those models with Linux installed.
I like what system 76 is doing but I don’t think they really have competition in the US market right now. If you don’t mind a clevo and you live in the US I’d recommend them.
I think it’s a registry modification, but, I’ve seen windows start to ignore modifications to the registry so idk.
The irony
How is that ironic?
You didn’t purchase a “HowToGeek” licence, I imagine. Nor was one included with your PC.
The thing that makes me laugh/cry/be happy I switched to Linux, is that it’s in that state, but it’s a paid product.
If the license was free it was somewhat okay, but it’s not. People are still paying.
M$ is terminal and most of the world is hooked up to a terminal entity; Most of the world is terminal.
Buying windows is like self flagellation. You have to be a masochist to enjoy it,especially the apologetic users.
Unfortunately for many, even in this day and age, there is not much choice. I main linux but also keep Windows on my PC as there are still tines when something will only work in Windows. Usually work related or gaming (VR in particular for me) and in fairness its increasingly rare.
Many other users aren’t motivated to change. For Microsoft, its a bit like boiling a frog - if you turn up the heat slowly the frog just puts up with it. That’s what Microsoft is doing to its customers - a slow constant enshittification, seeing what it can get away with. Try something and it causes outrage? Don’t worry, just undo it and just try again in a few years! Many are already used to no privacy and being sold as a commodity that they don’t even question it happening on their own personal computer.
You don’t need Windows for gaming.
Sure, some games only work on Windows but some only work on Switch or PS5 and you can still play video games without playing those in particular.
This dude is begging for an ad free windows at the end. Why? They’re too far gone. Go make a new home in another OS. It will be okay.
He’s addicted to the Microsoft flavored kool-aid.
Honestly, it wouldn’t have been a bad place to be if they hadn’t destroyed it from the inside. Windows on ARM is super stable. You can still build your own computer, or at least buy one with user-swappable parts. Linux has become much easier and wasn’t too bad to use even a decade ago, but it was nice being able to have a non-Apple computer running programs and getting work done that was just there to do the business. I’m speaking as one that attempted to use the kool-aid for a few years after Apple stopped using user-swappable batteries, memory, disk, their hardware upcharges are pure asshole insanity. I’m fully capable of using Linux, compiling my kernel, modifying driver source to work around problems, but, I don’t want to when I’m just trying to pay my bills. Streaming media services come and go with Linux support, hardware support is often lacking until the work is done to make the hardware work correctly. Windows, for all it’s … windowsness … worked. Until the last 8 months when they decided to put a molotov cocktail under the hood and see what happens.
Apple is headed this way too, now that they don’t have SJ to errantly blow up the current tech to try something new and random (although, had he survived his cancer, he’d have just gone Musky with age like a lot of that generation has, mmmm leaded gas!) Apple will hold on just a bit longer because iOS gave them one new platform reboot (ish) to live off of, while Microsoft is still kicking around technical debt until the end of time.
Oh, edit though, I’ve been migrating my machines to Linux one by one now. Not going to bother sticking around to see that Windows train wreck continue.
I’m too dumb to learn Linux and too poor for macs. What am I supposed to do?
If you can use windows, then you can use Linux. The effort of switching is not really any different than the effort of switching to Mac.
Try a Linux variant that isn’t arch.
Come on, you are on lemmy. You are not quite dumb.
Your not too dumb to learn linux. I know it seems scary, and a lot of the autistic people that like it will try to convince you it’s only for really smart people. But at the end of the day a lot of basic tasks are actually easier on linux. There are some that are harder gaming used to be very difficult for example. Although thanks to valve, and the steam deck for the most part if it’s a steam game you can just click play and it’s probably going to work.
But as an example of a more basic thing, let’s say you want to install an application.
Windows: go to Google, type app name, make sure it’s the real actual website officially for that app and not a sponsored result or some other fake website, find the download, pray it’s not buried in a bunch of fake download buttons, double click the exe, be careful to make sure it’s not installing any toolbars or other packaged bullshit, finally get your application.
Linux: there are some variations (apt dnf pacman) but all of them work the same, for arch it’s “pacman -Syu <name of app>” id argue thats WAY easier. If it’s not in the main repos chances are high it’s in the AUR (arch user repository) so you just yay -Syu <name of app>. It’s not harder (imo) just different.
I’ve actually had a number of pretty average computer user friends let me help them transition to Linux because of the crap Windows is doing lately. And after getting used to the differences they agree that Linux is not actually harder, it’s just different, they grew up with windows, they are used to how things are done on windows, so it seemed difficult just because it wasn’t the same. But once they got used to it they would actually agree that a lot of things are actually easier.
Now whether or not you want to put in that time to learn those differences, and change how you use your computer, is an entirely different question that you have to ask yourself. But you are not too stupid to learn Linux because realistically it’s not any more difficult than Windows is
They dont need to know any commands.
Everything in Linux is point and click. There’s an app store where you’ll find everything you’ll need. You will not need to open the terminal at all. All drivers will get installed through the OS.
Only things which do not work are the keyboard software and stuff to map macros to your keys and/or mouse buttons ans tweak the colours. Like the Razor software.
Distros like Ubuntu, popos, Linux mint are incredibly beginner friendly. There are, without a doubt, others.
They didn’t need to know any cmd/powershell commands using windows and they definitely don’t need to know how to use a Linux terminal to browse/mail/install software on Linux.
I mean, it’s good to know the apt commands, because sometimes app stores can break.
Depends on the distro but you are largely right. You can easily use Linux Mint or Ubuntu without being familiar with the cli.
Even Endeavour comes with Discover installed, and stuff like Octopi exists and is pretty bug free these days.
Most beginner friendly Linux distros have installers. You just need Rufus and a guide to making a bootable USB (its like 5 steps)
If you’ve never had to dig into a registry file or obscure hidden folder path in Windows, you aren’t enough of a power user to ever have to in a Linux distro either.
You are not too dumb to learn Linux. If I learned how to use it then you can. Start with with something simple and easy to install such as Linux Mint or Ubuntu and you will inevitably learn more as you go on. If you can read, type, point, click and observe then you have all the skills required to install the aforementioned distros.
You don’t have to learn how all bits and pieces of the system work. You just have to learn how to use it.
You probably don’t know how all of windows works and that doesn’t bother your daily routine.
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Only now?
My Windows computer stopped felling mine when 10 came around
