If you believe that any human being deserves lesser treatment or fewer rights than their peers, you’re a horrible person. But you aren’t irredeemable and you can become a not horrible person.

Well, yesterday a cashier decided it was a good idea to tell me, a hippie looking transwoman, that she’s not racist, but what is Turkey doing in European football? And yeah she immediately crossed that threshold and went on my asshole list.

Of course I can come up with a gazillion excuses for why she said that. She doesn’t know our own history. She doesn’t know geography. She’s just trying to fit in to her social group. I can go on and on. But still, what she is saying is damaging on a purely racist basis. She is old enough to realize that.

However, I wouldn’t use the word hate. I know what you mean, and that’s what I am responding to rn, but I don’t genuinely want to hate anyone. Hate is more corrosive to the vessel than that which it is poured upon.

Holding a belief and acting on said belief are very different things.

There are crazies who believe certain types of people they don’t like should be exterminated, but so long as they don’t act on those beliefs I don’t consider it horrible or immoral.

Most people can change their beliefs. However, we don’t always have the time, and we aren’t ever obligated to entertain stupid beliefs.

Well, yeah, a fascist is a horrible person, and so on. But I don’t think “horrible person” is a particularly useful or meaningful category. I don’t care if you’re a good or bad person; I care what you’re doing, what effect you have on other people and on society at large, and if the answers to those questions are negative, is there anything that can be done about it? If a fascist can be reformed, then we should do whatever we can do make that happen. If they’re a lost cause, well… I like to believe that no one is a completely lost cause. The solution if someone is truly a lost cause is not particularly nice or humane.

I had a friend who was a great friend in so many ways, she was clever and very helpful when I needed anything, also would ask me for the same when she needed help. She told me once that it’s way better to kill someone else, than yourself, because then you have time to repent before you die. What a horrible belief! But it’s not like she actually went around killing people, it was hypothetical.

I don’t have the answer but the belief did not make her act in any terrible way.

Actions make a person horrible. Beliefs lead to a person’s actions. So if one holds horrible beliefs, it’s likely they will perform horrible actions — thus a horrible person.

The “hate the sin, not the sinner” is nonsense. I can absolutely hate the sinner if an action they commit is immoral, unethical, and/or damages other people. However, there are very few people in this world that I would say I hate.

people define themselves with their actions. so I will totally hate the people based on how they define themselves.

Yes. The person might be able to change, but at the moment, they’re horrible.

All of them. Beliefs are what makes a person good/bad. Any bad actions come from those bad beliefs, but belief must exist first.

Let me give a very simplistic example. Most of us agree that murder is bad. In order for someone to commit murder they must first believe there are some cases where killing another person is justified or even desirable specifically for them. And not commonly agreed on ones like self-defense.

We even encode this difference in laws. Killing with intention is called “murder”, while if it’s done unintentionally it’s a lesser change of “manslaughter”. Belief is what decides severity of the action.

I think it’s actions that make a person horrible. You can believe what you like, but as long as you keep those thoughts sealed up in that fetid dome of yours, we’re cool.

The CEO of Nestlé has gone on record saying that he believes that all water sources should be privatized.

So, to answer your question, yes.

Though there are a plethora of stronger reasons to hate the CEO of Nestlé.

I used to think that believes really don’t matter as long as the person doesn’t act on it, but almost all believes shape who we are. It starts with little comments and evolves into actions. It doesn’t have to be that way if people acknowledge harmful ideas, but if you let someone believe that women are worthless or that their race makes them superior for long enough they will become a bad person.

Yes, horrible beliefs make a person horrible.

but No, I don’t hate someone just because they are horrible. Horribleness is not an immutable property. People are horrible because they lack the ethical skills to be better, and those ethical skills can be taught, including the ability to examine and reject horrible beliefs.

Belief is a choice, not fact. It’s fair to hate a person for choosing bigotry.