- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
You must log in or register to comment.
The opinion piece: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/opinion/joe-biden-president.html
I agree. The asked. Biden responded. Move on. The ticket has a vp. Its fine.
I think most Dems, especially those who are highly politically engaged and closely follow election news, are going to vote blue no matter who. So, I think Bernie is preaching to the choir here. I think the Dems who are worried about Biden are worried he doesn’t have enough support among independents, and they feel independents are much less likely to just vote for the Democrat, no matter who it is.
Now, could just any candidate replace Biden and automatically win back any of the independents he is believed to have lost? I don’t know. A lot of Dems seem to think that just about any other candidate would do better than Biden among independents right now, but I’m not so sure.
Remember, Bernie Sanders did FORTY TWO events for Hillary after she was the chosen Dem candidate. More events than even she did for her own campaign!
Then she had this to say about Bernie in her Hulu doc: https://x.com/bobby/status/1236349383890931713
Oh, now I understand. She’s like, a real housewife of DC.
What an ungrateful cunt. I don’t want to be in hell with that removed.
I don’t want to be in hell with that removed.
Dying to know which word got removed when “cunt” was perfectly acceptable.
Lmao…I guess lemmy.ml didn’t want to be unfair to Australians!
B I T C H but even then I could be referencing a female dog.
So, we’re allowed to say cunt but not The B Word™️?
That appears to be the case
🫡
Calling her a cunt is unfair: she lacks both the warmth and the depth
Hear hear
Hillary “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman” Clinton. Yeah. Keep on satisfying those poor, misguided progressives.
“Dont like the choices? Get over yourselves”
- Hillary like 6 months ago
Progressives need to learn this lesson: liberals will always shift the blame.
Correct
Hillary, much like Trump, is a symptom of what is wrong with the Democrats. “It was her turn” spat in the face of people who were excited about a progressive candidate and made the whole primary a sham.
She was a terrible candidate. She was a bitter pill that many independents said “enough is enough” and voted third party or not voted at all.
I am deeply concerned that as the Republicans move more toward fascism, the left are not going to have great candidates. We’re going to get established, wealthy-class friendly candidates who are willing to throw crumbs at the working class. They’ll bitch and moan about how they are losing voters, never looking at themselves, never realizing that we are literally voting to just survive.
This election will be just like 2020. We aren’t voting for Biden. We’re voting against fascism.
And I’m personally getting fucking tired of Democrats seeing that as a win.
I am deeply concerned that as the Republicans move more toward fascism, the left are not going to have great candidates
Well, the
RepublicansDemocrats will have an option of being “less fascist party” by then. I feel like the future is not too bright, somehowEdit: mixed the opposites somehow 🫠
I think the other concern is voter turnout/enthusiasm. The last presidential election had extremely high turnout. Even if voters (in swing states) don’t switch candidates but opt to stay home instead that could translate into a significant electoral problem too.
You do have a point that turn out Is important, but a potential replacement candidate isn’t guaranteed to increase turn out, they could be worse. And they would only have 4 months to try to fix things, which isn’t a lot of time.
Turnout is literally everything. It is literally more turnout = Democrat win literally every single election in america. Low turnout in 2016 still resulted in trump losing the popular vote. America’s voting system is messed up, but then so is UK’s parliamentary first past the post system and Belgium’s 6 governments.
I think you might be missing the point though.
Those highly politically engaged Dem voters who will vote blue no matter who are bickering about whether Biden is the right choice, and the swing voters are paying attention.
To an undecided voter, it doesn’t inspire much confident to see that Biden’s own supporters don’t think he can do the job.
The bickering amongst those who will vote blue anyway is costing the votes from the undecideds that Biden so desperately needs.
Fucking thank you, Bernie. Glad someone with a spine said it.
Kamala - Bernie. Let it happen you fucks!
No, biden then bernie. Its the only way bernie would be president
Removed by mod
It’s nice to see the majority of the democrats are reasonable people and will continue backing Biden.
tbh, I don’t think reasonable people would think an 80yr old is the best fit to run a country. Edit: Especially after publicly shitting the bed on multiple occasions
These are reasonable people who at this point are faced with a choice between that 80 year old and Trump.
The Democrats could have run someone else, should have run someone else, didn’t run someone else. So those are now the two options.
The convention is a month away and plenty of time to retire the Rocinante for a better horse
He already has enough delegates to win the convention, as is my understanding of the odd way the Democratic party makes this decision.
Biden can announce that he is not seeking re-election. Release the delegates and it can be decided at the convention, as it officially is done. The DNC refusing to allow proper primaries makes this much messing now, but it is the only viable path forward without trump. It’s the policies and platform that are important and anyone who would vote D knows that. The left doesn’t want a king, but someone who can champion their ideals.
Isn’t he 81?
Yes, he’s 81. He’ll be 82 November 20th. 86 at the end of his second term if he’s re-elected.
When he’s re-elected.
It’s looking a little scary chief…
Idk it just looks like one candle at this point
Jeez, I’ve had smaller bonfires.
But a 78 year old is?
Haha, no. Many other problems with that cesspool.
That’s not the question at hand. Trump should die in a fire, but that’s not what this is about.
That is what this is about. Because if everyone that is wanting people to not vote for the 81 year old get their way- then we’re getting the 78 year old.
THESE ARE OUR CHOICES. it’s too late in the game to call an audible.
It’s not too late for Biden to do an official act to mar-a-lago
It is ABSOLUTELY too late.
No, it’s not too late. Biden is not even officially the democratic nominee yet, the convention hasn’t even happened yet. The rest of the world has an entire election cycle that lasts like two months. The election is still almost four months away.
The US has an election cycle that runs much longer than most other places in the world.
I’m seeing a lot of people downvoting comments that are making simple statements of fact about how the American election system works. It may not be the way people want it to work, but that’s what they’ve got. Downvoting such comments doesn’t change it.
Thank you!
The US does not need to, is my point. Four months is more than enough time to introduce a new candidate.
Does Bernie want to lose?
Right his whole life, correct here too.
He also told supporters to vote for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. But… he does tell voters to make up their own decision
And he was right both times.
I agree with all three sentiments.
Yesss, that’s satisfying.
Satisfying to hear Democrats throw yet again another election?
Not a big history guy, are you?
Oh, haha, first time trying to unify the left, huh?
Italians:
He’s just done with our shenanigans
Drumpf is a living survivor martyr. Nothing is now gonna hold anything back. Every thing is now going to hit the fan.
Honestly second thing I thought of when I saw it. First was that it was staged.
I’m with him 100% on the first bit - at this point, the single most important thing the Dems have to do is stop bickering.
As for the rest, at this point I don’t even much care. I can see arguments both for and against in both directions - either choice is going to involve some risk but either choice can be made to succeed.
So the important thing, and really the ONLY important thing, is to pick one and run with it. Stop with the dilly-dallying and the second-guessing and the bitching and moaning and hand-wringing and make a choice and stick with it, so we can focus ALL of our attention on pounding those fucking fascist traitors’ dicks into the dirt.
Bernie or bust!
Or stop bickering and replace him ASAP.
But really, I don’t think this is bickering. I think it’s an intentionally slow drip of news to get people more receptive to the idea of replacing him with Kamala, so that it’s not a bomb dropping all of a sudden, which would likely freak out a bunch of voters and cause them to lose votes. Boil the frog slowly and there’s less of a splash.
I think this is the exact idea that Bernie is warning against.
Well honestly it’s going to be a splash either way and the sooner they replace him, the better. Kamala is going to need more time to cook with and the sooner she can get out there, the sooner she can challenge Trump to a debate and flip this country around.
All the socialist’s heads just exploded.
No, we left this lib behind a long time ago.
We’re all China-stans now.
Aaaaaand that’s why no one takes your seriously.
Oh no, libs don’t take me seriously! 😭
Ahhh yes. This reminds me SO much of my edgy high school years. It was our little grassroots movement vs the world! And we had EVERYTHING figured out. No one could tell us that we’re wrong in any way and we had Pat Benetar to back that up!
We knew it all!
Then we grew up and realized we didn’t know shit. We found out that the world doesn’t work the way we want it to and it never will, because we aren’t the only ones that live here. Looking back, it was incredibly stupid and naive to think that life in politics were that simple.
“Just do this thing we want! It’s that easy!”
and…
“We reject your reality and replaced it with our own!”
The problem is: the rest of the world didn’t work with the reality we created for ourselves.
Man… I miss those days, but living in reality has its merits as well. One of them is being taken seriously by people regardless of whether or not I share a core political values.
I hope you get the same chances I did. But times are VERY different. You may not be afforded the luxury to have the freedoms I had come January.
Now, go on- say something edgy so everyone knows you didn’t just get wrecked.
What the fuck are you talking about? I’m siding with China. You know, the worlds second largest economy? A billion people?
Hardly a little grassroots movement. I live in the reality where China is the only serious challenge to the US. What about you?
So… you’re a non-Chinese citizen- … siding with China. That’s about as grass roots as it gets.
Do you think zero people outside of China look up to their accomplishments?
The US might be a capitalist, colonialist country sprinkled with panderings of faux-socialism and heading towards fascism, but I would hardly call that an improvement over another capitalist-in-all-but-name, fascist, colonialist country with eroded communist foundations.
Whatever atrocities you believe the US is committing in terms of subjugating and exploiting poorer countries and its own working class, China is doing the same thing but only with a bit more subtlety.
When was the last time China invaded an oil-rich country, overthrew their government, and killed a million people?
If you want to dream up Chinese imperialism whenever China builds roads in another country, you still have to grapple with the fact that they don’t build those roads on the graves of martyrs that died trying to defend their homeland.
When was the last time the US tried to erase a people’s culture? And when was the last time China tried that? When was the second to last time China tried that? What about the third to last time?
Both countries are imperialistic in different ways. One does most of its atrocities to the citizens of other countries and one does most of its atrocities to its own citizens. Neither should be looked up to.
When was the last time the US committed cultural genocide?
When it caused one million deaths in Iraq through direct and indirect warfare for no reason. It currently has a direct hand in the genocide happening in Gaza right now.
Or how about when ICE was caught sterilizing migrant women in detention centers? They were doing that as recently as 2020, and there’s a long history of forced sterilization in the US.
Compare and contrast. Look at Gaza, look at Xinjiang province, try to spot the difference! Can you do it?
Neither should be looked up to.
There’s no other choice. You can’t just think up an idealistic imaginary third option. The US or China. Choose
There’s no other choice. You can’t just think up an idealistic imaginary third option. The US or China. Choose
There are other choices. There is no forced binary. There are around 200 countries currently in existence that you can look up to and many more past countries that no longer exist that you can look up to too. Or, like me, you can not look up to any country. The perfect system doesn’t have to be already invented and in practice. Karl Marx did not look up to any countries when creating his system.
I believe that every country currently in existence has flaws and do not look up to any of them.
Killing civilians in Iraq is evil. Killing civilians in Gaza is evil. Sterilizing people is evil. The USSR and US proxy wars were evil. Installing dictators in South America is evil. None of these, however, are an attempt to erase a culture. There is a thriving hispanic culture in the US and the US government isn’t erasing it. There are thriving sub cultures for every out-group in the US.
Not that erasing a culture is more or less evil than these things. I do not engage in the ranking of atrocities. Atrocities are atrocities and I hate them all.
Erasing the culture of the Uyghurs is also evil. Sterilizing Uyghurs is evil. Invading and erasing the culture of Tibet is evil. Erasing the culture of all of China with the cultural revolution is evil. One child policy is evil.
Removing citizens’ rights to talk freely about the government and society and protest what they dislike about them is evil. Censorship is evil. I’m in the US and I said all that about the US being evil and am not going to face any consequences and my comment will not be taken down.
Not recognizing same sex marriage is evil. Someone who claims to be queer ought to recognize that and not look up to countries which don’t recognize it.
There are other choices. There is no forced binary. There are around 200 countries currently in existence that you can look up to and many more past countries that no longer exist that you can look up to too.
Thank you! Exactly! It’s not just the US or China/Russia/NK. There are a couple hundred options, many of which are happy to coexist and aren’t vying to become the one true empire of the planet.
Considering China is allied with Russia and buys nearly half of their crude oil exports, they haven’t needed to invade other countries for oil. I’ll give you that, but at the same time, they’re also indirectly assisting and allied with a country that is happily trying to extinguish the entirety of Ukraine.
Roads and ports. With abusive conditions that all but make it impossible for the poorer countries to satisfy their terms, ultimately leading to China being free to claim the infrastructure they built on foreign soil as their own. They might not be as obvious about it as the United States, but they are still a captialist, colonialist country antithetical to communist goals.
Every global superpower does their fair share of this shit. The countries we should actually be looking up to are the socialist/communist ones that rapidly accelerated their growth and citizens’ quality of life before being destabilized by an existing global superpower (usually, the United States).
they’re also indirectly assisting and allied with a country that is happily trying to extinguish the entirety of Ukraine.
Hyperbole does not help your case.
A war to extinguish a nation looks more like what Israel is doing in Gaza. Compare the number of children, medical staff, UN aid workers, and other noncombatants that have been murdered. Compare the total eradication of all homes, businesses, universities, hospitals, religious institutions, historic sites. Russia, by contrast, is waging a war of conquest and assimilation.
All China is doing is trading with them, and not even trading weapons or munitions! It’s just normal commerce. Let’s compare again with Israel and how the US is providing it unlimited bombs and heavy equipment and fucking jets it needs to do its genocide.
When you compare the two the stark contrast makes your hyperbolic claims into a joke.
With abusive conditions that all but make it impossible for the poorer countries to satisfy their terms,
They forgive the loans they give to those poorer countries when they can’t repay and are always willing to refinance.
Compare that to the IMF which sells off public assets to private interests and imposes austerity measures onto the people, letting the US infiltrate the government and set up counter-terror operations and win exclusive trade deals to superexploit the people.
Again, compare and contrast. The US isn’t merely worse, it has different objectives. One is imperialist, one is internationalist.
Every global superpower does their fair share of this shit. The countries we should actually be looking up to are the socialist/communist ones that rapidly accelerated their growth and citizens’ quality of life before being destabilized by an existing global superpower (namely, the United States).
This is why China is the way it is. China has to ally itself with Russia and it has to wield state capitalism, or else it would end up the same as every other socialist experiment the US destroyed. If China cut off every country that US says is evil then it will lose all its allies, and then the US will just turn around and declare that the world needs to stop doing business with China.
Instead, China saw right through that, and with BRICs the dedollerization of the global economy is inevitable. The Communist Party of China has done more to destroy US imperialism than any communist party in every other country combined.
Grow up.
