• Yewb@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    14
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 months ago

    Doesnt he have a fiduciary responsibility to the share holders? How is this unnecessary move going to help increase their value?

    Please lets think of the shareholders!

    • Celestus@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      2 months ago

      SpaceX is not publicly traded, so there are no (public) shareholders to be beholden to

      • Yewb@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        2 months ago

        There are stake holders that are not elon he only has like 54% still a fiduciary responsibility

    • Lemonparty@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      2 months ago

      Unless I’m mistaken they’ve always been based in Texas. Like look at their corporate license, they’re incorporated in Texas. SpaceX isn’t moving shit, he’s just talking out his ass per usual.

  • Kokesh@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    2 months ago

    What the hell? Every day you think he reached peak Elon and then the next day arrives… What does trans student have to do with SpaceX?

    • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      His trans daughter disowned him and he’s on a vendetta even if he’s just using it as an excuse in this matter.

      • arefx@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        If you can avoid the super political people, florida is hella dope. Is it crazy, sure, but theres tons of cool shit to do and has absolutely beautiful nature. (im not from florida either lol NYer here)

          • arefx@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            Well my Trans friend moved down there and has been happy for 5 years, so I don’t know I’ll ask them for you.

          • Noble Shift@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            Stick to major metro areas. Orlando on south. Once you get away from the beaches and tourist areas, it’s farms and swamps and small towns. If you’re paranoid come down to South Florida, we have a huge gay population, gay beaches, etc. My (gay male couple) neighbors are always out doing something, flags in tow.

            As far as minorities / POC, shit … that’s half of everyone. You’ll have to go looking for trouble or be stupid or unaware and stumble into a less reputable area to get into trouble.

            However do plan on having your car broken into.

              • Noble Shift@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                2 months ago

                Trans folks fall under Minorities, sorry I didn’t’t call them out by name. I can say that most people in SF don’t care. Oh sure you’ll hear someone’s old grandmother from the old country mutter something in a foreign language every blue moon, but in practice no one cares.

                We have a lot of people from a lot of places that are less tolerant.

                If you can drive like a fucking asshole, take 10x too long at the self checkout, and speak 5 Spanish phrases, no one will have any idea you’re from someplace else.

                [edit] I’ll also add we have the nicest nude beach in all of Florida , and it is open and friendly to all and takes absolutely nothing to start a party. Just adjust to the fact that about 10% of the people will be ‘Baywatchy’, the rest are just folks, folks who may not work out, but surprisingly do an awful lot of personal grooming.

    • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      His huge MAGA shift happened after his trans daughter disowned him. He thinks the school system did this to his kid and the woke people are suppressing the rights voice (AKA hate speech) on the matter.

      I think there’s even a quote from an ex wife begging him to do something about it in the new book (don’t quote me on that, but im pretty sure)

      So this seems like an absurd straw that broke the camels back, it’s actually coming from a real place even if there is a separate motive like taxes.

      Edit: I tried to find the quote from the wife, and while there was a lot of quotes in articles, I could not find what I was thinking about. I did find some articles where the exwife shows support and is proud of their trans daughter for changing her name, so my conclusion is what I’m thinking about is probably something else not related to the daughter.

  • profdc9@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    2 months ago

    I really think that Musk is like the modern Citizen Kane, and we need a new Orson Welles to show the depths of his depravity.

  • andyburke@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    114
    arrow-down
    13
    ·
    2 months ago

    I feel bad for the reasonable employees at SpaceX - this sucks for decent people.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      85
      arrow-down
      24
      ·
      2 months ago

      I don’t. Look, we already had this discussion years ago. You don’t feel bad for the stormtrooper, or their families when you blow up the deathstar. They knew what they were getting into.

      • tiredofsametab@kbin.run
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Especially when the job market contracted with all the IT company layoffs, some people may be stuck in jobs they hate because opportunities are few and they’d rather not be homeless or have their kids not have food and so on.

      • andyburke@fedia.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        53
        arrow-down
        11
        ·
        2 months ago

        But they didn’t. The guy had me in the first half when he cried because Buzz Aldrin didn’t like him. Elon wasn’t always so obvious with his bullshit. There was a time when he looked minted as a purveyor of a bright future - the mask slipped.

        • deegeese@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          50
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          2 months ago

          The mask has been off for at least 8 years.

          No sympathy for anyone who still stans that phony.

          • essteeyou@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            32
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            When did he call that rescuer a “pedo”? Because that’s when I changed my mind on him forever.

            Edit: It was June 2018.

            • neoman4426@fedia.io
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              2 months ago

              Musk should likely have all his storage media searched, just randomly accusing people of things like pedophilia for no reason is often projection, “don’t look at me, I clearly can’t be one as I’m the most vocal about being against them, look over here instead” or whatever

              • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                edit-2
                2 months ago

                What Elon did was terrible, but it wasn’t “for no reason”

                The dude attacked him in the media, and Elon is petty and vindictive.

                Was the harshness of Elon’s response representative of the attack? Absolutely not. But it wasn’t nothing.

                • radicalautonomy@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  6
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  2 months ago

                  The guy told it like it was. It was a PR stunt and nothing more. His submarine was rigid and stood zero chance of navigating the intricate cave system, of which the caver was an expert. Elon didn’t like his sub (and him by extension) being ridiculed, so he used his social media clout to make an unsubstantiated and nigh libelous claim that the guy was a pedophile.

                  Whatever Elon’s retaliatory reasons are for his vindictiveness, a rational person can safely assume that those reasons are tied to his hollow soul and crêpe-paper-thin ego.

                • bizarroland@fedia.io
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  Yeah see there is a thing called disproportionate response.

                  If you’ve got a guy with 100 million followers talking shit about someone else and making wild accusations against them against another person who has practically no following at all, then the response is far too powerful for the issue at hand.

            • Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              16
              ·
              2 months ago

              Then he fired his PR team not long after that. He pushed out all the people getting paid to help him not look like an idiot.

      • IzzyScissor@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        I mean, the stormtroopers were largely either conscripted, or they were clones who were raised in it. Very few were actual mercenaries or people who had a choice to join or not. I still feel bad for them.

      • IllNess@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        Stormtroopers is fair. What about maintenance staff?

        What about prisoners?

      • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        84
        arrow-down
        16
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        I’m sure there are plenty of people who started at SpaceX before we all truly knew the monster musk is. Also, the work they are doing is incredibly important. It’s hard to give that up. It shouldn’t be this hard to empathize with people

        • skyspydude1@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          ·
          2 months ago

          Knowing many people who’ve worked for him, you have about 6 months at a MuskCo brand company max before you really know what a piece of shit he is, and either a.) leave ASAP, b.) convince yourself it won’t be so bad and hang on for ~2 years, or c.) fall into the cult of personality and believe that Daddy Elon loves his little proles and cares very much about all the hard work you’re doing [EMPLOYEE NUMBER HERE].

          The absolute last stop on the “Musk is Tony Stark but IRL epic gamer Redditor and likes weed and Rick and Morty!” train was when he called that cave diver a pedophile. It was apparent well before then, but anyone acting like they had no idea what a piece of shit he was after that either didn’t hear about it, or was willfully ignorant because they wanted to continue pretending that basing their entire personality around a billionaire wasn’t a terrible idea.

        • Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          13
          arrow-down
          13
          ·
          2 months ago

          I thought that spacex was “incredibly important” once. Now I realize it’s a fast track to a more fucked earth. By the time we get to “planet B” “planet A” is going to be a fiery ball of shit.

          • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            21
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            2 months ago

            I’m not saying SpaceX isn’t without valid critiques, but if you don’t see the value of reusable rockets and can’t even give them credit for spearheading that, I’m not sure what else to say. Make no mistake I think Elon Musk is a bigoted piece of shit, but I can also acknowledge that SpaceX has done important work

            • Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              7
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              2 months ago

              Do you know what all those puffy clouds coming out of the engines at engine cut off and start up are? Kerosene or methane and oxygen. Do you know what injecting methane and kerosene into the upper atmosphere does to the planet? No, no one does because it wasn’t ever a problem when there were 5 launches a year. Now that there’s 5 launches a month we’re getting to the find out stage.

              Same with starlink. What does aerosolized aluminum (and whatever else is “just burning up” on reentry) do to the upper atmosphere? When there were one or two satellites a year how would you know? Now that there’s several a month (20 in the last launch that didn’t make it up) we’ll find out.

              I’m going to go out on a limb and say none of that will prove beneficial to life on earth. But yeah, the rocket is pretty cool.

            • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              13
              arrow-down
              5
              ·
              2 months ago

              Yes, the rocket is reusable. The fuel is not, and by lowering the cost per kg of space freight, it has driven more usage of rockets. Which use non-renewable fuel at astounding rates and make huge emissions for a minor payload total.

              We’re seeing extreme temperatures and unseasonal weather events already - James Webb is cool and the ISS does need service missions but Starlink is just more orbital trash waiting to happen.

                • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  7
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  2 months ago

                  It’s not helping. We aren’t going to get a “deus ex machina” moment on righting damage done to the environment. Yes focus on the bigger goals and pollution sources, but this is a trend in the wrong way to enlarge Elon’s money pile.

              • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                10
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                2 months ago

                Starlink will never be orbital trash in any meaningful way. If everything failed today, they’d all deorbit within 5 years. It’s only in higher orbits where shit gets stuck for decades or hundreds of years.

                • Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  Starlink will never be orbital trash in any meaningful way

                  You’re right. They’ll be atmospheric pollution. That’s what “burn up on reentry” means.

              • Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                5
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                2 months ago

                I’d like to see what people’s reactions would be if we put all the 6,219 starlink satellites in a pile on the ground and lit them on fire. Would they say “fuck yeah! Fast internet!” or would they say “are you out of your mind?”

                And they plan on having 12,000 or something each lasting about 5 years.

      • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        2 months ago

        I’m curious, is it reasonable to blame employees for their employers actions like this? I mean to a certain extent perhaps, depending on your position in the company (like if you are part of upper management then you are more responsible obviously).

        Many people are just trying to get by and getting jobs is not easy. Is it okay to blame a person for working somewhere if they don’t have much other choice? Capitalism kinda forces you to work within the system like this.

      • Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z6SFL5fCCg

        they built another deathstar right? the first one was completed and fully operational before the rebels destroyed it and the second one was still being built when it was blown up

        the first death star was manned by the imperial army only people on board were stormtroopers dignitaries imperials so when they blew it up no problem evil punished

        the second time around it was not even done being built yet was still under construction job of that magnitude would require a hell of lot more manpower than the imperial army had to offer

        bet they brought in independent contractors in on that thing plumbers aluminum siders roofers

        in order to get built quickly and quietly they would hire anyone to do the job you think the average stormtrooper knows how to install a toilet main

        all they know is killing in white uniforms

        all those innocent contractors brought in to do job are killed casualties of a war they had nothing to do with

        alright look you’re roofer some juicy government comes your way you got a wife the two kids in suburbia

        this is a government contract with all sort of benefits and along come these left wing militants and blast everything in a three mile radius with their lasers

        they did not ask for that they had no personal politics they were just trying to scrape out a living

        • Pieresqi@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          17
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          2 months ago

          “Innocent contractors”

          Wtf 🤮

          In my book it doesn’t matter if you are building or operating the gas chambers.

          • Krono@lemmy.today
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            2 months ago

            I’m a little surprised that this comment has gotten so many upvotes.

            Would you apply this same logic to the real world? For example, imagine if a manufacturing facility for Lockheed Martin or General Dynamics was bombed and thousands of working class Americans died. These people are building bombs that are being used in an ongoing genocide.

            Would you consider this a heinous terrorist act, or a noble strike in the fight for freedom?

              • Zirconium@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                2 months ago

                what about the restaurants that feed those workers? or the farmers that grow the crops? or the worker’s families

                • Pieresqi@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  Since you are maliciously leading it in this direction I will intentionally skip to the end.

                  We should kill every human because we share DNA.

                  Happy ?

    • jonne@infosec.pub
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      2 months ago

      If you’re working at one if his companies at this stage you probably already know about his management “style” and you’ve either already updated your resume or you’re just cool with it.

      • Nollij@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Let’s not forget the Golden Handcuffs. Although given what was reported from Twitter, I’m not sure that applies.

    • Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      Maybe 5 years ago. They’ve had plenty of time to see reason and jump ship to anyone else. Elon hasn’t exactly been quiet with his escapades…

  • Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    132
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    2 months ago

    The kind of decision making others feel worthy of an over 50 billion pay package.

    Fuck Elon, and fuck the board too. Never buying one with him involved.

  • L3s@lemmy.worldM
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    arrow-down
    19
    ·
    2 months ago

    Too many politically charged comments, locking. We are a technology community, if you want to talk politics please do so in the appropriate community.