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At least he is sticking up for Vice President Trump
As a foreign, I don’t know why US need to buy real AR-15 at home.
If you want to play, buy Airsoft. If you want to hunt, buy a rifle.
Braindead take, is Biden gonna come to my rescue when some christofascist militia has me on my knees in front of a ditch?
The cops will bring the rope.
Source: George floydd protests
Sounds like a similar argument to how christofascists justify owning military weapons. It’s very disturbing from a European point of view.
Seeing how 2A it almost took down a fascist it’s getting hard to argue against it.
The countries with nukes get permanent seats on the UN Security Council.
Maybe once the US has been around for a few more centuries it’ll be different. in the meantime, if the crazies are armed you should be too.
That’s military not civilians, it seems justified as long as there are authoritarian regimes with imperialist ideas. Completely unrelated to civilians having military weapons. Unless you’re saying civilians should have nukes too.
If you think arming yourself because there are organized fascists in the country is a similar argument to fascists wanting guns to do fascism you’re a fascist and nothing less.
Ah, didn’t know you would consider most of EU and the developed world to be fascist, thanks for the insult.
You would have been the worst kind of fence sitter right up until the germans boarded in your house. You are a fascist.
Unarmed protest will not stop putin
…the military will.
Will they though? Last I checked, the EU mostly underfunds their military. They dont even meet nato obligations
This is rapidly changing, all thanks to Putin.
Seems Ukrainian stopped it pretty well without having civilians carrying military weapons outside of military duty.
Not true at all. Ukraine was handing out AKs like candy to any citizen willing to fight for several days before the invasion.
Ukraine was handing out AKs like candy to any citizen willing to fight for several days before the invasion.
regardless of whether this statement is true or not, it would be because they were expecting and preparing themselves for military invasion.
also there was armed conflict already in progress before start of the “3 day special operation”.
Not true at all
so completely true after all… 😆
No, you said Ukraine fought Russia back without arming their civilian populace, then tried to walk it back by saying they were expecting an invasion. Yeah, no kidding. But the fact of the matter is that they did exactly that. They handed out full auto rifles and held bomb making classes for the public. Ordinary people fought back, and a rifle behind every bush was indeed critical to pushing Russia back.
Yes, it is absolutely true that Ukraine fought Russia by having ordinary citizens fighting back with military weapons.
then tried to walk it back
i couldn’t have tried to walk anything back for two reasons:
- i am not the person you originally replied to.
and
- the two statements are not contradictory, so there isn’t “taking anything back”.
But the fact of the matter is that they did exactly that. They handed out full auto rifles and held bomb making classes for the public. Ordinary people fought back, and a rifle behind every bush was indeed critical to pushing Russia back.
that is how it works. you are a civilian, until you are given weapons and task to do, such as fight invading armed forces.
how long you were on a army’s payroll before is just splitting hair. different para-military and guerilla forces are part of the armed conflicts all over the world.
and from the context of this discussion it is pretty clear that “civilians carrying military weapons outside of military duty” refers to some fucking meal team six redneck from some confederate state who only ever saw a war in television and carries his assault rifle to walmart to protect himself against people laughing at his small dick, not people fighting in actual war.
so thanks for playing darling, better luck next time.
Because they were expecting a foreign military invasion, it still is military duty.
Nope. A civilian fighting in a war does not make them part of the military. It makes them a civilian fighting in a war.
Is this what your life is like?
Soon to be “our”. And not just in America, unfortunately.
I don’t think you know what the world is like outside your gun nut bubble.
I don’t think you know what the world is like outside your gun nut bubble.
Then you should probably be a little less judgy about what folks think they need to do to defend themselves within that bubble.
Since you aren’t from the US, you may not be aware of Project 2025, but “some christofascist militia has me on my knees in front of a ditch” is a plausible eventual outcome for many over here if Trump gets in again.
How often are you shot at? Have many enemies trying to kill you? Grow up.
I’m not even a gun owner buddy, but I’m not going to pretend the world is going to stay safe for everyone who isn’t (or can’t pretend to be) a white cishet christian if Project 2025 comes to pass.
Edit: They are already ramping it up more, as if that were possible. They want to be ready to hit the ground running on Day 1 of Trump’s second term. https://www.advocate.com/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-rnc
Yeah a ton of people will lose their rights with project 2025, but how does having a gun help you fix that? Are you talking about like civilization declining into groups of people killing each other in the streets?
Then you should probably be a little less judgy about what folks think they need to do to defend themselves within that bubble.
no, he shouldn’t be. folks in gun nut bubble don’t need to defend themselves, they are just gun nuts, that’s the whole point of the argument 😆
Hey I’ve got news for you - all the US is the gun nut bubble, and we all take the impacts from it, whether we own guns or not. You may have heard about our problems with school shootings, for example, or our police who are convinced everyone wants to kill them, and so open fire at the slightest provocation…
hey, i’ve got news for you as well - more guns is not a solution to the problem. more guns is the problem.
Gun nut? I’m not replying regarding guns, but the rise of right wing nationalism
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I’m with you until the last part, I’ve tasted it, and I wouldn’t wish it on DJT himself. I understand the emotion, but there’s a better way homie
Hey, I appreciate you at least. At my old job they had a big office in Monterrey, and they were some of the most hard working teams I had the pleasure to work with. I absolutely lost my shit if anyone treated them any differently and I hated how the company ran that division. Working with those teams is the only thing I miss.
The fact that they always had to get permission for any time off from the team leads, were scrutinized for every cent, and often not even given the tools they needed for their job, all in the name of “saving” money, was absolute bullshit. There really were some ridiculous double standards. We never denied time off and purchased what you needed. We knew how shitty the system was and did what we could.
So, one shitty American to an awesome Mexican, thank you. For every cook, every maid, field slave, factory worker, engineer, installer, and human from your country that just wants to exist somewhere safe, feed their family, and have a roof over your head, thank you.
do you plan to resolve any of your problems, real or perceived, with ar15?
If brown shirts start lynching my neighbors for being a certain race, do you have any better suggestions? Should I scold them, ever so sternly?
here, you can run in circles yourself, you don’t need me for that.
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Thanks for not even considering what I asked.
reload, or fix your instance redirect, or w/e, and you’ll see i did
Time to force registration of guns. Time to force psych evals for gun owners. I own two guns. One is a SKS I bought in 1990. Although considered a assault rifle it is nothing more than a semi automatic hunting rifle. I would gladly submit to what I propose in order to ensure that some broken soul doesn’t have access to a weapon. Anyone who is against accountability in this matter is probably a danger.
The SKS has the same size standard mags as an AR-15 and can do everything else the AR-15 can, but with a more powerful round.
How is it “just a semi automatic hunting rifle” if the AR-15 isn’t?
So can a browning 306. My SKS doesn’t use mags you can get stripper clips but it doesn’t hold that many shots. Its nice you googled something and got it wrong.
Dude, I was in gun sales for years. I’ve had my hands on a thousand SKS rifles.
Just because you don’t have detachable mags doesn’t mean it can’t use them on the rifle. Like an AR it’s a very adaptable platform.
My SKS uses 30 round detachable magazines, so OP is not incorrect. it’s a rifle that’s been around forever with tons of different configurations
You can modify them to use a mag. I did for a short time years ago but restored it to its original configuration. Using a magazine kinda sucks with that gun.
Sks is a 7.62/30-06 round, which is a good round for medium to large game. The ar15 is 5.56/.223 which is much smaller and not suitable for more than varmint or coyote.
It’s incrediblly not a 30.06. SKS fires a 7.62x39mm cartridge with about 1400 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.
A 30.06 is 7.62x63mm cartridge with around 3000ft/lbs or muzzle energy.
A .223 from an AR has about 1300 ft/lbs, making it MUCH closer to the SKS than the BAR.
not suitable for more than varmint or coyote.
Holy shit you have no idea what you’re talking about LMAO
There’s a really wide range of opinions on what animals 5.56 is ethical for. I’m not gonna say they’re all valid, but this opinion this person shared is an opinion people have.
I live in Canada. We had mandatory gun registration passed in 2001. From that point on, the Conservatives used every opportunity they could to scrap the registry and finally succeeded in 2012. Since then, the reintroduction of a gun registry has been off the table.
Canada has nowhere even close to a gun culture the way the US does. The main opponents of gun registration here were hunters and farmers, a much smaller portion of the population than in the US (which also includes substantial gun enthusiast, militia, and survivalist cultures).
So what does all this mean? Gun registration laws are laughably unrealistic in the US. There is absolutely no way you will ever get a gun registry to stick as long as the Republicans have any chance whatsoever of winning an election.
Just because Canada couldn’t swing means no one can. Gotcha.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck. I really do.
That’s not the comparison. The comparison is if Canada cant pass gun laws do you think a country less functional and more pro gun can?
Licensing, recurrent registration, and insurance. Mandated storage. If you can afford an arsenal, you can afford the rest of it.
I used to have insurance for my firearms.
Then a bunch liberal activists hadn’t hounded all the credit card payment processors to refuse to work with insurance companies who offered it, calling it “murder insurance.”
Now I can’t buy it because people on both sides of the debate refuse to act in good faith.
Poll taxes are racist
Insurance, because only white people should be able to have guns without paying exorbitant fees. Pass.
I agree with all of these things, except affordability shouldn’t be the issue. It should be subsidized for poorer people. I don’t want only the wealthy to be well armed.
I’ve heard the “wealthy people” argument many times. Like I said, if you can afford the guns you can afford the ability to secure them. Failure to secure guns is what gets people killed, either because of accidental shootings, theft, or the guns being taken without permission. I’m not interested in debating poverty and gun ownership if the lack of ability to pay for insurance or a safe means someone else has to pay with their life. We’re already there and it’s already a massive problem. It’s why this discussion is even happening.
E: this is the most ‘Murica thing I’ve ever heard. Guns are a fucking problem, people have proven they can’t be responsible for them, and here we have people suggesting we use public money to distribute them for free or at little cost. Yeah, the answer is MORE guns. Tf is wrong with people.
It’s trivially easy to put a gun behind a lock. Licensing, registration, and insurance is a cost that can become arbitrarily large.
Like I said, subsidize it for poorer people (including the gun). We subsidize all kinds of things to ensure poorer people can still do things they should be allowed to do but can’t afford at the same level. If we managed to get as far as what you want, it’d be fairly trivial to add a gun/ammo tax or something that is used to offset the costs for poorer people. I’m agreeing with your concept, but ensuring only the wealthy can be armed is a horrible idea.
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Sounds like a great way for conservatives to make sure their victims don’t get guns. They’ll go back to pretending to be concerned for trans people and stuff. Remember when women were forced into psych wards for being “disobedient”? I bet it’d basically be the same type of labelling anyone going against the fascist agenda as mental illness.
I’m all for it in the progressive parts of the country (like Massachussetts) where minorities (including lgbt) probably wouldn’t be targetted like that by the government. But in the regressive states like Mississippi, or Louisiana, or West Virginia, or Florida, or Texas… no thanks, I don’t want to have my house raided when overlord Trump becomes supreme leader and the state decides I don’t deserve human rights unless I convert to Christianity (the right kind of Christianity though obviously, the wrong kind will get you dragged out into the street and shot)
I think it just boils down to “gun control requires the government to enforce it especially fairly and in good faith” which I do NOT trust a conservative government to do. One shitty election, and suddenly leftists or minorities can’t get guns and all my gun data next to my address and SSN is conveniently accessible to fascists, along with the statistics bought from corporations saying I’m a filthy socialist
What guarantees you won’t become a broken soul now that you have the weapons ?
What would make you comfortable giving them up ?
Do you train in a militia ? Would you be willing to submit to a state or county base militia every month for the rest of your active life to keep your guns ?
Do you feel any responsibility when your fellow gun owners act not just irresponsibly but act out of malice towards the public with their firearms ?
Those are “your people”. Make a better case to keep your military weapons other than “i’m not crazy”.
The SKS is the first gun I ever bought. The other gun was one of few things my dad ever gave me that wasn’t broken. Of course he thought it was broken when he gave it to me but it was simple fix. Simple enough for a twelve year old to fix. Why would I give up what is essentially a two hunting rifles. Sure one has a place for a bayonet but I don’t own one. All of you defeatist always naively think outlawing them will get rid of them.
Every X years you have to pass again the psychiatric test.
I think leaning into the well regulated militia part of 2A is where I would focus. In my thinking every town or district or whatever would have a local militia. Anyone could be involved whether they want to be armed or not. Basically the militia would train for all sorts of emergency situations in a very local way. It would have to be independent from the government though. Like, only in your town. Where do we meet? What resources will we have? Are there good choke points we should defend? Under what circumstances? And then of course actually training as a defensive militia. Each militia should have an armory/barracks. While the individual person would still technically own the weapon, anything other than hunting weapons would need to be kept in the armory unless the militia declared an emergency and everyone got their guns and manned their posts. Maybe even hunting weapons. Just have a system for checking your weapons out for hunting or practice. I’d be willing to make this sacrifice. And I’d feel much more secure knowing I lived somewhere with a well organized militia and not reliant on some far off government or a bunch of yahoo vigilantes.
I like it. I meant it is kinda the point of the natty guard, but that got too big and too military. An active community support group would be neat to see more of.
Right? The guard can get called to go to other places though, and is controlled by the government. I just think people should be prepared for whatever in their own communities, and if you’re a responsible member of that well regulated “militia”, then sure you can own guns.
Sounds like a great way for conservatives to make sure their victims don’t get guns. They’ll go back to pretending to be concerned for trans people and stuff. Remember when women were forced into psych wards for being “disobedient”? I bet it’d basically be the same type of labelling anyone going against the fascist agenda as mental illness.
I’m all for it in the progressive parts of the country (like Massachussetts) where minorities (including lgbt) probably wouldn’t be targetted like that by the government. But in the regressive states like Mississippi, or Louisiana, or West Virginia, or Florida, or Texas… no thanks, I don’t want to have my house raided when overlord Trump becomes supreme leader and the state decides I don’t deserve human rights unless I convert to Christianity (the right kind of Christianity though obviously, the wrong kind will get you dragged out into the street and shot)
I think it just boils down to “gun control requires the government to enforce it especially fairly and in good faith” which I do NOT trust a conservative government to do. One shitty election, and suddenly leftists or minorities can’t get guns and all my gun data next to my address and SSN is conveniently accessible to fascists, along with the statistics bought from corporations saying I’m a filthy socialist
To me it sounds like a good way for malfunctioning republicans to get identified. Its what they fear most. The idea that everyone will know they are sociopaths, psychopaths or have plain old NPD. When you hear someone say they don’t believe in therapy you know they are afraid of being exposed.
Are you suggesting that we do it to expose peoples’ medical information to the public…? Or am I misinterpreting this
I think them being openly Republican lets everyone know well enough that they lack empathy/humanity. It’s on people (well, more like our education system to teach people) to recognize that, WITHOUT violating basic privacy rights. Plus, knowing the publics’ ableism and perception of mental disorders, people will probably start suggesting that ASD, ADHD, etc. should disqualify you from having a gun if the laws aren’t just listing out arbitrary diagnoses.
Personally, I currently live in a very red part of Georgia (not for much longer though) and I’m pretty queer and have ADHD and stuff, so I’d rather not let the government even know what guns I own. When the state or federal government becomes social democratic, I’ll be completely fine with it
No I’m not suggesting that. Way to reason in advance of your data. I’m suggesting though experience that people who are against mental health are usually against it to hide their problems. I worked in mental health for a decade. Most cluster B’s, people with APD, NPD or BPD can’t stand the thought of getting help. All of them feel that its never their fault. They play the victim but are always the victimizer. None of them need a gun.
Why would I think people with ASD or ADHD would be a threat? I have ADHD and I also get treatment.
Seems like you are picking a outrageous example in an attempt to fluff up your position. but some types are dangerous and those are the ones who avoid therapy. Who fear it.No they’re saying nobody gets exposed because health info is held to high privacy standards and your comment didn’t make sense unless those mental health evals were public info, so they assumed that’s what you were arguing for.
You don’t have to make them public. Why is that a requirement? Its crazy that that is the only way people see it.
No, actually it’s long past time to redefine hate groups and fascists as domestic terrorists and send in the FBI.
Of all the reasons to ban a gun, trumps little knicked ear is low on my list
Bro why? I’d vote for a fucking shoe over him at this point, unfortunately it’s between sundowners and down syndrome. These guys want to destroy everything this country was founded on and developed over the years and banning a gun is where you go?!
At this point it’s intentional sabotage. No one fucking wants this. It won’t change anything. Just leave it the fuck alone and start doing something for the lower and middle classes to secure your goddamn votes. Or just let the conservatives use your stupidity as a stepping stone to steal your voters by fulfilling their fear mongering.
I’ll give up my guns after the christo-facists give up theirs, not before.
The optics on this are abysmal. I get that he’s trying to be consistent with party ideology any time there is a shooting where someone dies, but we’ve got an election in 4 months and talking about banning guns of any kind gets conservatives motivated to turn out.
FUCK
its like he’s trying to lose
this is not going to get anyone excited about voting for him, but it will galvanize the opposition and push swing voters into staying home on election day at the very least
“Fun” fact: those kids would be old enough to vote this year, had they not been gunned down.
Holy deep fried frankenfuck will the Democrats NEVER LEARN?!?!?!?!
AFTER!
You talk about guns AFTER the election!
What in the actual pogostickingpopejohnpaul is he THINKING?!?!?
The optics are 1000% awful here.
Uvalde wasn’t enough, but a potshot at the planet’s most notorious living felon is?
Handguns used in ~2/3 of all gun murders in the U.S.: I sleep
AR-15 used in one assassination attempt of geriatric running for president in 2024: REAL SHIT
That fucking horrible assassination attempt would have happened with or without the AR, this is just another knee-jerk emotional reaction, and it could NOT come at a worse time (pre-election). We’re fucked.
I mean, fine. But the recent attempt didn’t make the AR-15 look especially dangerous.
