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- politics@lemmy.world
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- politics@lemmy.world
President also says presidential immunity for crimes should be removed and ethics rules for justices should be stricter
Joe Biden has called for a series of reforms to the US Supreme Court, including the introduction of term limits for justices and a constitutional amendment to remove immunity for crimes committed by a president while in office.
In an op-ed published on Monday morning, the president said justices should be limited to a maximum of 18 years’ service on the court rather than the current lifetime appointment, and also said ethics rules should be strengthened to regulate justices’ behavior.
The call for reform comes after the supreme court ruled in early July that former presidents have some degree of immunity from prosecution, a decision that served as a major victory for Donald Trump amid his legal travails.
“This nation was founded on a simple yet profound principle: No one is above the law. Not the president of the United States. Not a justice on the Supreme Court of the United States,” Biden wrote.
Term limits should be 6 years or less. 18 is just too much to allow for
18 years requires that the entire Court takes 3-6 administrations to swap out, and is the shortest term in which a single President can’t replace a majority of the justices.
With 6-year SCOTUS terms a 2-term President can select 100% of the justices on the Court, and would have a majority in their first term. It would completely remove the check against the Executive.
Yeah, at the proposed rate the court would be comprised of:
So you’d have a 6-3 liberal leaning court. Which makes sense since Democrats have held the presidency for 12 of the last 18 years.
That’s assuming it isn’t gamed. If your time is running out and your party is losing power soon, you can step down and let the president of your choice appoint a new justice.
If a Senator, Congresspe son, or President leaves office early, the person appointed or elected to fill the vacancy finishes out the term. The Supreme Court would be similar.
Maybe have a rule similar to the President that if a Justice serves less than X years of a predecessor’s term they can be reappoonted, so that if someone dies or steps down a year before their term is up it doesn’t screw the person who fills the vacancy.
I imagine they’d have to flush out all the exact scenarios, the biggest problem being the existing justices. I’d imagine you’d have to do something like this, assuming the bill took place immediately.
Honestly, looking at it written out it seems really good. Obviously the older court members are the ones that will have stuck around longer than the 18 years. Under the schedule, Gorsuch is the only one who doesn’t get the full 18 years, which is fitting since he is the only pick for the court that is truly illegitimate.
I think if there was a death or someone had to step down, you’d want the current president to appoint someone to fill the remainder of their term, rather than starting the clock all over again at 18 years. That would prevent retiring early to game the system.
Yeah - you’d basically set up an 18-year cycle of appointments every 2 years with each seat up once per cycle.
I’d be okay with locking-in the number of seats on the Court at that point as well. Adding or removing seats would really screw with the system, and 9 seats with 18 year terms really does work out brilliantly mathematically.
Only once since the Civil War has a President been elected to replace a President of the same party (Reagan - > HW Bush), so keeping a 2-term President from being able to appoint a majority would probably result in a fairly balanced Court.
Also limiting them to 1 term offers the same political immunity a lifetime appointment does.
The more I think about it the more I like it.
I agree, but I also think 18 seems a little long. I think 14 would probably be a good number, or maybe 16. I think having it off the 4-year cycle is a solid idea. I assume 18 was chosen because that’s two two-term presidents plus an extra 2 years to space it out to make it harder to game. I can see some of the reasons 18 was picked and I get it, but also 18 is the amount of time it takes to get the right to vote, which seems long for an unelected position to be held without the ability to give feedback.
Do you want an individual President to be able to select more than 50% of the Court?
If the answer is “no” then 18 years is going to need to be the minimum.
A 2-term President would get to nominate 4 justices with an 18-year term.
With 16-year terms, a 2-term President has a 50/50 shot of getting to nominate 5, depending on where in the SCOTUS cycle the President is elected.
16 is also problematic due to the number of seats on the Court. It’s best to have it be 1, 3, 9, or 18 to keep the cycle regular, and everything but 18 is way too short.
18 really does work out very well.
For SCOTUS I think the idea is to have an opening every 2 years. I can see the argument in favor of replacing them at about that rate. But maybe 1 per year is better. Regardless, I’d like to see the SCOTUS openings be more predictable and frequent.
9 years means a 2 term president gets 8 people on the court. That’s a terrifying prospect.
Yep agreed
18 years is perfect. It’s the shortest term in which a single Predisent can’t replace a majority of the justices.
Yeah that occurred to me after I posted my comment. Seems perfect to me, too.
I think it makes sense if you want stability where there’s always 4 senior judges with 10+ years experience.
And even better if we combine this with strict ethics rules where we can be sure any new Tomas etc. gets the boot.