PSA (?): just got this popup in Firefox when i was on an amazon product page. looked into it a bit because it seemed weird and it turns out if you click the big “yes, try it” button, you agree to mandatory binding arbitration with Fakespot and you waive your right to bring a class action lawsuit against them. this is awesome thank you so much mozilla very cool
https://queer.party/@m04/112872517189786676
So, Mozilla adds an AI review features for products you view using Firefox. Other than being very useless, it’s T&C are as anti-consumer as it possibly can be. It’s like mozilla saying directly “we don’t care about your privacy”.
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Why not just be a web browser and leave stuff like this to browser extensions?
Oh right, you enshittified yourself.
Edit to add: Why give them money when they apparently already have too much of it from corporate inputs (most of it from Google)? I think they ask us for donations in order to retain their non-profit image, for PR purposes.
You are not wrong. I got curious how much they receive in donations, but could not find anything about it in their financial statements.
That is where I looked and could not find it, albeit only on my short commute from work.
Seems like you can press the not now button
Not a big deal…
I consider it a big deal. I’m clicking “Not Now” buttons all day when I just want to use a piece of software for its main purpose. And then because it says “Not Now” I get asked again and again and again.
I hate the anti-pattern of “Not Now”. How about “No”?
These should be flatly illegal. No means no
We had a whole generation of people that were taught that ‘no’ means ‘maybe later’ (the whole point of the ‘no means no’ ads about daterapes), and that same generation is now running these companies. What did we expect to happen?
Best I can do is accepting three options: “Yes,” “No,” and “Remind me later.”
“Not now” or “No, I don’t want this awesome feature” bullshit infuriates me.
Yeah, corporate dark patterns really don’t respect consent. When would you like to know more: Now, or Later?
Though I don’t mind the “accept, deny, ask me again later” for when something seems interesting but I don’t want to put the effort into looking into it right at the moment but don’t want to click yes without looking into it.
These should be the norm, actually.
Yes, though it stops being as good if there’s a “you can postpone this n more times” involved.
Cool it with the universal AI hate. There are many kinds of AI, detecting fake reviews is a totally reasonable and useful case.
I have large doubts on an AIs ability to reliably spot fakes.
There are literal bots on Reddit with less complexity able to measure the likelihood of a story being reliable and truthful, with facts and fact checkers. They’re not always right, they ARE useful though. Or were. Not sure about now, been over a year since I left.
Would you mind pointing me in the direction of those AIs since the newfangled factcheck bot seems to just pull its data from a premade database, so no AI here on Lemmy
AI: “This is definitely a fake review because I wrote it.”
If by reliably you mean 99% certainty of one particular review, yeah I wouldn’t believe it either. 95% confidence interval of what proportion of a given page’s reviews are bots, now that’s plausible. If a human can tell if a review was botted you can certainly train a model to do so as well.
but it does not work. This stuff never does.
What do you mean by “this stuff?” Machine learning models are a fundamental part of spam prevention, have been for years. The concept is just flipping it around for use by the individual, not the platform.
bayesian filtering, yes. Llm’s? no
Fakespot is from Mozilla, if you trust Mozilla, why don’t you trust Fakespot?
And why is it useless? With the amount of fake AI reviews an AI to detect them is not completely useless.
But the popup is annoying.
And why is it useless?
It’s not useless. It’s just that it’s bloatware that’s unnecessary for many.
Like a car with a bright orange “Order Bird Food” button in the middle of the dashboard. If you don’t own any birds, then it sucks.
Nothing new in the helm of browsers. Pockets is a extension baked into the browser.
Many browsers have VPN/Ad Block native to the browser. Opera GX have all that bullshit that surprising can deceive a lot of normies to use it.
Sadly this type of bloat sells as “features” to some people and Mozilla gains users with it. Btw I’m not defending this practice I just seeing for what it is, marketing.
Sure, sure, other browsers do it. But I expected more of Mozilla.
Pocket was already bad enough, but it was kiiiiinda related to browsing anyway - it was a glorified bookmarking tool. It had a nice purpose too - save pages for online reading - but they seem to have gotten rid of that and I’m mad about it.
People shouldn’t trust Mozilla either. It’s a company that does company things. Just because it’s not as far-gone as Google doesn’t mean it’s incapable.
I never said they should trust. But if they trust Mozilla with the telemetry/pockets/whatever they put on the browser this one is just like the others.
just because its not as far-gone as Google
The fact that the Mozilla Foundation is non-profit, despite wherever controversy there may be around their decisions of late, is a pretty significant factor.
Mozilla Foundation has no members, it’s operated by the for-profit Corporation, and the Corporation is powered by its profit motive.
Even worse, the majority of its revenue comes from Google for making it the default search engine.
Using AI to detect AI is completely useless. It’s been a big issue in academics, where a professor will plug your essay into an AI detector and then you get dinged for plagiarism because your entirely handwritten essay gets marked as AI. It’s just glorified pattern matching, it has no concept of real or fake.
If the AI could really detect any discrepancies between human and AI-generated text, it would stop making them.
Shouldn’t trust Fakespot or Mozilla
Lol who the f trusts Mozilla nowadays?
I trust Mozilla to do what they promise with my private data
didn’t the Firefox management say they would focus on their core product rather than random little services like this
At this point, I’m glad I switched to Mull on my phone. It took a bit of overcoming the resistance of using Firefox for decades (Stockholm syndrome), but I don’t miss Firefox one bit.
Now I need to do that on my desktop, but I’m still shopping. Librewolf? Palemoon? Ice Weasel? What are folks here trying out these days?
On Android I am using Waterfox. Still looking for alternatives on desktop.
Mullvad Browser is pretty good on desktop.
Isn’t Mull basicslly Firefox since it’s just a Firefox-based fork? The UI seems to be identical to me - don’t notice any other differences on my phone
Yes, it’s Firefox without the bullshit.
It’s ironic that Firefox started the same way, actually.
When Netscape open sourced its browser and then fucked it up, some folks took the source code and built “Phoenix,” much, much later becoming Firefox.
Isn’t Mull basicslly Firefox since it’s just a Firefox-based fork?
I don’t understand why that would be a bad thing. If Firefox starts to enshittify then a fork from before the enshittification is exactly what I want.
It’s not - quite the contrary. I was just wondering what the commenter that I replied to meant when they said that it took them some getting used to. For me, it’s just a slight change in design and a different icon
Lots of love for librewolf here.
Strong fingerprint resistance breaks a lot of sites so just get used to disabling that on whatever sites.
Yeah but to be fair they bought this years ago. Just took them forever to integrated. I suspect any changes in direction will truly show in 3-4 years, once the current backlog (no don’t look at my company’s Jira, TYVM! 😑 ) is cleared.
Actually I thought there new ceo said they were going to fuck around with AI stuff.
Edit:
IANAL, but I don’t think T&Cs are really legally binding and can be easily fought against in court.
While true, it requires time and money to get a case before the court. Which most people don’t have. If your rights require you to invest your time and money against a much larger adversarial party in court, then it’s not your rights that are being protected in the first place. Right now Big Tech is more worried about us exercising our rights instead of being afraid of trampling on them in the first place.
Is this for sure built-in and not some extension? I don’t have it.
its in beta
How does “waiving your right to a lawsuit” hidden in a terms and conditions apply? I bet it doesn’t
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Thanks.
Click the big X button in the top right corner
Average Windows enjoyer
Please tell me there’s an about:config setting to turn this bs off.
I got this linked on Mastodon: https://kitsunes.club/notes/9wbyqywt28
Nice. Thank you. For those who don’t click the link, it appears you can disable by setting these flags:
browser.shopping.experience2023.activeand:
browser.shopping.experience2023.survey.enabledTo false.
EDIT: On finally getting back to my desktop and disabling these, it looks like there’s a bunch of these
browser.shopping.experience2023flags. Some of them set to true, others false, I just set them all to false.
I know … But people actually literally want this.
Maybe FF is what we install for normies while we use forks for other flavours.
But people actually literally want this.
No-one except advertisers want this.
Most people simply do not care at all.
Read the room
Why do advertisers want you to have tools that help you detect covert advertising?
In long term, for substituting them with their own links. In short term it’s a nice feature.
Because Mozilla takes a metric shitload of your data via fakespot such as (but not limited to)
Internet or other electronic network activity (e.g., browsing history, search history, information regarding an individual’s interaction with an internet website, application, or advertisement, and online viewing activities)
https://www.fakespot.com/privacy-policy
And then sells it to advertisers
people actually literally want this
Who’s tearfully begging for a chatbot to tell them what a review page says instead of just clicking on the page and reading the actual reviews wtf
Does fakespot have a chatbot? I thought it predated LLMs and is basically just some human-made algorithms to filter out suspicious reviews.
Normies.
Our IT department is constantly getting tickets to unblock random shitty stuff like that.
I cannot explain it, not even a little, I just know it’s a thing.
Perhaps the general ad infestation of everything blurred the lines.
In a way, in the immediate sense of the moment, being sold bullshit by AI/algorithms or irl by a sales person isn’t that much different. And people don’t care about tomorrow or anything they can’t immediately see.
(Im guessing, all of it)
I actually love Fakespot. I’ve had it installed as an extension for years, but now it’s native
And that’s the bullshit part. It shouldn’t be native. A browser should be a browser.
