"Ain’t no snitches riding with us
Ol mo the mouth n***as could holler the front" - Lil’ Wayne
Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it. It’s a win-win since I already wouldn’t want a ford
Edit: what it uses cameras to look at other vehicles??? That is much worse
Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it.
Patents don’t necessarily stop other OEMs from using it. It just means they’ll have to pay Ford a fee to license it, themselves.
Ooh that’s gonna get your car keyed.
You have a strange way of writing molotov cocktailled.
I was gonna say, they are getting keyed with bullets
The key that opens anything.
Welcome to UPS trucks.
And Amazon, and FedEx, and UPS, and DHL…
I a totally meant FedEx. But I thought they were the only ones with police contracts?
They all have telematics in their trucks, and I know they all use the data in the case of accidents to prove fault. Amazon specifically monitors speed and will fire drivers if they do it too much. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if they started sharing that info.
Oh yea, on the same page, it’s just that FedEx specifically have been proven to hold contracts with law enforcement, while the others have not.
Yep, it snitches on other cars!
Let’s be real, close to a majority of Americans have no issue with their iPhone being used as part of a mesh tracking network, even if it helps abusers with airtags.
All they have to do is sell this to people as benefiting them, and they will gobble it up. Hell, chances are, insurance companies will start offering reduced rates if you drive one (and then they buy the data from Ford and increase rates with it).
Instead of paying 2000 dollars a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger you pay 1500 a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger, but the car will… SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHERE DO I SIGN?
The massive difference between AirTags and this is that AirTags (and the whole Find My network, it’s not only AirTags after all) actually provide a useful service to each participant, namely locating their things if they get lost somewhere. This does effectively nothing for you and will only ever fuck over other people (you could argue rightfully so, but still) and provides no value to anyone other than the police.
One wonders whether instance companies will incentivize these vehicles with lower rates.
For whatever the insurance companies deem a low rate driver, sure. But you can be sure that many drivers will be paying more once their insurance company sees how much time they stare at a TikTok videos what “driving”.
Actually. I do wish that phones would fucking tattle on people who can’t be bothered to watch where they’re going while operating 2 ton Hausfraupanzers.
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Tbh, if all the ticketing was done automatically, then there would be less of a reason for cops, especially traffic cops. This decreasing their numbers. This could be a silver lining.
or, hear me out… we could just have cars that don’t snitch on us and cops that work under strict scrutiny (or no cops at all if we took care of ourselves as a society)
This was my thought as well. Just because they patent it, doesn’t mean they’ll use it. And it could keep other manufacturers from implementing similar systems.
From a product standpoint, I just don’t understand the reasoning here. Nobody wants this. It’s not a selling point. There is no way to make money off of this without the government getting involved. Just why?
Yeah exactly. Who is going to buy the car that tips off the cops?
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I know, but 15 years is a long-ass time.
Maybe if we didn’t make city streets as wide as highways, people wouldn’t drive so fast. I feel like it’s obvious that people will drive faster between painted lines than if those lines were walls. Even lining a street with trees lowers speeds. An indirect side effect would be a drop in ticket revenue, but surely the police department would prefer safety over money.
Having been in places with narrow streets and walls right there… Nope. Doesn’t stop them.
I’m starting my attack run
surely the police department would prefer safety over money.
I see Ford wants to produce only cop cars.
If I have to buy a “new” car someday, I’m cutting off every antenna I see.
Unable to contact servers; boot loop, car won’t start; manufacturer sues you for breaking licensing agreement with unapproved modifications
Classic cars for me then
my classic car is a 2005😎
That’s why we need right to repair
And a corporate death penalty, if I had my druthers.
I’m against the death penalty, so corporate disbandanment
Unfortunately just like your cell phone we don’t really need external antennas anymore. In a lot of cases there’s not even a wire inside you can easily cut, just traces deep on the board
What I’ve been reading about on that subject is that cars often have a Telematics Control Unit or TCU that can actually be disabled if you can find it. It’s a box that plugs in to the wiring harness. They also have antennas that could be connected by a wire that you could locate, giving us another option to disable them by just disconnecting the antenna wire. That way the TCU could still talk to the main computers but not be able to send out its data.
If it doesn’t have a wire you could always put in a little faraday cage.
They could make a system that doesn’t allow the vehicle to speed but I guess allowing it and then snitching is better
You should probably read articles before commenting. The cars aren’t reporting themselves.
That sounds like a really bad idea. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to go over the limit situationally.
Especially when other drivers could potentially put you in harms way that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to evade.
Also what if you need to rush to the hospital and don’t have time for an ambulance? Not great but better than someone dying because they didn’t get attention in time.
I really think you are missing the point here. You say overspeeding may save you, which i think is a very theorical and not frequent occurence but ok, for the sake of argument let’s allow 20kmh above the maximum speed limit, in my country that would be 150kmh, enough to get out of dangerous situation, still way bellow what modern car can do. And you really dont want to go above this kind of speed in urban environments if you’re not a trained professional. Speed limit exist for a reason which extends beyond “when you agree with them” raming in another car and transforming a 1 people emergency into a multiple people one is not a risk we should consider acceptable.
I agree that there’s rarely a good reason to speed. However, most speed limits are fairly arbitrary. Some are too fast, some are too slow.
The arbitrary speed limits are often because many city planners still use the 80th percentile rule. Basically, they do a traffic study, then set the limit at what 80% of people are comfortable driving at. So that means 20% will naturally feel like they can go faster. And as they reach the 99th percentile, they’ll feel like they can go much faster.
The issue with this 80th percentile thing is that it has very little grounding in traffic safety or reality; Many roads are needlessly wide and give drivers an unrealistic sense of safety. They’ll feel like they can go 40 or 50MPH, when it’s really a street that is cutting through a neighborhood and is frequented by children playing, bike riders, etc…
While i dont necessarily agree with you, it is not my point. I am not saying we should limit the speed according to local speed limit, just that there is no reason ever for an individual car to go above 150kmh (or whatever the highest allowed speed in a country+15% is)
Speed limits are set according to a number of factor from noise, local crash history, density of pedestrians, threshold of the safety equipments (such as rails) , willingness of the governing body to review it, etc While some are not good, I would definetly argue that not all the reasons can be assessed from the driver perspective.
And the individual driver is not the arbiter of that. Just because someone feels the speed limits are wrong doesn’t justify speeding
Even ambulances aren’t supposed to speed. They get their time savings with light switching devices and having traffic get out of the way. 99 percent of survivable medical crises have an hour to reach modern medicine as long as proper first aid has been applied.
It’s also almost universally better to slow down than speed up to avoid an accident. Braking changes your speed far faster than speeding up. It also gives you better traction, (literally it loads the front turning wheels with extra weight), and makes a hit more survivable.
We all want to feel like we’re in a Hollywood movie, but we just aren’t.
You won’t buy a Ford because it’ll rat you out to the cops
I won’t buy a Ford because they’re dog shit vehicles
We are not the same
With how rarely Toyota’s break down, I hesitate to consider any other car company. Ford is near bottom of the barrel.
Funny enough my girlfriend and I just got Toyota’s, so we should have reliable vehicles for the next 30 years
Still make sure to do basic maintenance on them
Lol, fuck yeah!
My Toyota is old enough to vote, and the only issue it has ever given me was a seized brake caliper. I’m convinced that it’s going to outlive the heat death of the universe.
Hondas are fine
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I rented a Ford focus once and it really was a dog shit vehicle. Every other vehicle could easily interface with my iPod but this piece of shit would need to scan the iPod for 5-10 minutes (making the head unit completely unusable in the meantime) at which point it would start playing some random song from the iPod that it bizarrely determined was first. That was the most obvious shitty design flaw, but literally every thing about the car was piss poor. If I hadn’t been against Ford already because they knowingly killed people with those defective Firestones, I would’ve completely turned against them from that one rental experience. Fuck Ford.
Yup! Wanna change your battery?
“FUCK YOU, GO TO AND PAY A DEALER CAUSE WE BURIED THAT SHIT INSIDE THE FUCKING ENGINE COMPARTMENT!” -Ford
I can’t believe no one has sued them for this anti-consumer bullshit. I don’t know anything about cars, but even I have been able to change the battery in every vehicle I have ever owned.
This is a weird one. I speed, and so does everyone else, but nobody has the right to speed, and I cant say it necessarily would be bad to have more speeding restrictions. Im sure it would be just as abused as any other part of the law and justice system but I dont find it inherently unappealing.
I speed, and so does everyone else
Why?
Old, terrible road speed design methods resulting in shit like my drive to work: a long, straight road that’s wider than the nearby highway yet has a speed limit 15mph slower because…?
Usually the answer is “uncontrolled access” I.e. it has driveways and such, and not on and off ramps
Our roads are designed to make us think we can go faster than we should and localities have an incentive to keep speed limits arbitrarily low to increase fines from speeders.
Our roads are designed to make us think we can go faster than we should
localities have an incentive to keep speed limits arbitrarily low
Which is it? If speed limits are arbitrarily low then you can go faster. The fact that most people speed and the roads aren’t consistently littered with accidents seems to support that.
fwiw, the roads are constantly littered with accidents and the US has the highest pedestrian fatality rate out of all “western” nations
It’s both. They make it so you want to speed so they can generate revenue. Wide lanes and low speed limits can yield a lot of tickets
I was driving on a road like that in Scranton with a 45 mph speed limit, doing 50. For about a quarter mile, without any change in the road, it drops to 35 mph. Right in front of a police station. So the cops don’t even have to leave their station to start ticketing people.
Well, both.
If the road were clear around me, I could easily hold 100+ off the highway. I’ve got huge streets near me with long curves. No problem for my relatively new tires and well-maintained vehicle.
Once we add cars to the mix, I can no longer go that fast. Too many other cars, if I just weave around them, I can go fast again. Who wants all this power sitting behind a Sentra?
Yay! I’m free! Fast fast fast until more cars again. A little bob and weave… Crash.
This road is literally as wide as the highway but the speed limit is 45mph.
The road always has traffic, always construction, always debris from poorly maintained cars or accidents which means you can’t go fast but the road itself was designed for the Daytona 500. The ‘speed limit’ is set for a pace that makes 18 wheelers look fast.
So, the obvious answer said by every Suburban with scrapes on the side and Altima with paper tags is “My car isn’t going to fail or crash and in ideal conditions should have no problem redlining all the way down this thing so I should try that in five o’clock traffic.”
It’s both because there is more than one kind of road.
America really likes stroads which give the impression that you can safely travel at speeds that are actually dangerous. We do that often in neighborhoods where we should be going 20-25 max but the design of the roads encourages us to drive faster. Since the speed limit is often actually at a safe speed, the issue of speeding is about the design of the road and not the speed limit.
Larger roads like highways, freeways, and expressways are designed for high-speed travel but often have speed limits that are low for the sake of revenue generation. If you’ve ever driven through a small town where the highway design doesn’t change but the speed suddenly drops from 65 to 35 you know what I mean. In those cases the problem is with the arbitrarily low speed limit as some states have raised the cap up to 80 and have not seen a substantial increase in accident-related injuries and deaths.
Connector roads often suffer from one or the other problem listed above. They are either designed to make you feel like you can go 60 when you should be going 40 or are set at 30 when you could safely go 40. The road design needs to match the safe speed by making drivers feel unsafe when they exceed that speed and not unnecessarily penalize them by not putting the limit lower than that speed.
Both of those result in speeding but have different causes.
Um they are
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Speeders are assholes that put everyone in danger.
Get fucked if you speed. I lost several family members because of pricks like you and I even wound up hospitalized from it. Eat shit and piss off. Asswipes like you fucks don’t need a drivers license since you don’t know how to drive.
Should be Dodge
Sooo how long before we find a way to jailbreak the thing and essentially have an on-board “give that car a ticket” button to report false speed data on any driver we happen to be pissed off at?
…yeah I’d 100% abuse the fuck out of that.
Not just a law enforcement thing, either.
Ford will absolutely, 100%, start selling this data to insurance companies, who will absolutely use it to increase rates.
us insurance sounds insane, you are forced do deal with corporations in a scammy as fuck way
How does it work elsewhere? We require doctors get malpractice insurance, and there’s growing support for making the police get liability insurance too.
You do realize insurance companies were recently proven to be purchasing data secretly created from our own vehicles so they could raise rates, right? Not sure it “works” here in the US…
How does it work elsewhere?
I live in Estonia.
For one, car insurance depends on your basic demographics (car registration location, owner’s years of driving/insuring experience), the car’s power rating and make/model - and finally, accident history. For any type of insurance that covers your own vehicle as well, it also takes into account the age and value of the vehicle (for the mandatory liability insurance, that’s irrelevant).
For medical insurance, your prior medical history doesn’t matter, there are no premiums. Your options are (simplified, there are some others too):
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Work and have social tax paid for you by the employer (they don’t get to weasel out of this with a regular work contract)
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Be an entrepreneur and pay yourself at least the minimum monthly salary with social tax, the rest you can take out as dividends or invest into growing the company
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Be a student, including university
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Be underage (this also gives you dental! I do wish everyone got dental)
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Be registered as unemployed and at least act like you’re trying to find a job
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Have some sort of permanent disability that’s severely impacting your ability to work
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Have a child under 3 years old
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If nothing else applies to you, you can pay a certain sum which was either monthly or quarterly, to have the same health insurance (this is mostly for those entrepreneurs who don’t want to pay themselves even a minimum salary because they’re already loaded and would rather avoid paying payroll taxes on themselves and only pay income tax if/when taking out dividends). I suppose you could also do it if your income is entirely illegal and therefore untaxed.
If you hit any of these, you pay €5 per doctor’s appointment, with some exceptions. Private care is more expensive. If you don’t in any way qualify for the national medical insurance, you’ll have to pay for your procedures and stuff, but the prices are reasonable usually.
As for liability insurance for medical malpractice and the police - I’m not 100% sure, but I do believe that victims get compensated by either the hospital, or the government in the case of the police. In any case, it’s very rare for anything like this to happen luckily.
I do believe life insurance that pays out if you die prematurely or get a major injury or disease, will still depend on your medical history - or at least whether you smoke and drink alcohol.
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Oh, it only sounds that way because our US insurance system is fucking insane and forces us to deal with them in a scammy way!
GM will be patenting LED windshields showing the middle-finger and blurring the license plate every time a Ford passes by.
Not gonna lie, I’ve encountered enough F150 drivers to make this option tempting.
Edit: I’m wrong, now I diverted rtfa. it’s a camera system to detect other cars. My bad.
I don’t understand your comment. GM own ford, right? And the data they are trying to share comes from the car itself, not other cars around it.
No, GM owns Chevrolet, GMC, and Cadillac.
Ford is Lincoln, mercury and Mazda
Ford trying to patent a way to bankrupt themselves for when no one ever buys another ford ever again.
Don’t worry, the federal government will bail them out.
gotta syphon that money out of government somehow.
What’s especially hilarious is that my Ford Escape reads speed limit signs and then adjusts the cruise control to the new limit +5mph. They let you adjust that setting up to +/- 10mph, iirc.
Well yeah, they have to allow you wiggle room to knowingly break the law. How else are they going to maintain the partnership with law enforcement?