He’s had yet another horrible week. The old tricks aren’t working. Kamala Harris does not fear him. And it’s showing in the numbers.

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    It didn’t hit him, maybe only his oversized ego got dented, a man behind him were hit, this guy should be in media on a daily basis, not Trump. DJT was scratched only.

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      He’s a narcissist to the degree of it being a mental illness, I don’t think most people are aware how little reality these people let into their psyche, to protect the image they have of themselves. There is no dent, this simply didn’t happen for him.

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      I love this storyline but I am reserved about the narrative from New Republic. A lot of their reporting comes off tabloid-ish.

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    Trump: “she doesn’t like Jewish people. You know it, I know it, and everybody knows it, and nobody wants to say it.”

    Yeah, probably because she loves them, and everyone else as well.

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      Six days ago, The New York Times ran a story under the headline “Inside the Worst Three Weeks of Donald Trump’s 2024 Campaign.”

      You know things are bad when the worst three weeks are after an attempted assassination.

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    As much as I’d like to celebrate, I can only think about how the attitude was the same regarding Hillary, and we all saw how that turned out. Fingers crossed.

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      People hated Hillary though. I know everyone who liked her wanted to say it was sexism but the Clinton’s are fucking crooks. I don’t like that Kamala put a bunch of people in prison for weed but there isn’t any evidence that she killed people for political gain.

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        Hell, Hillary even kept Henry Kissinger around while campaigning Somehow thinking that was a good idea? Basically a hello America, look at this war criminal I am good friends with, let me talk at length about how amazing this war criminal is. To say she was out of touch would be a bit of an understatement.

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      It’s the truth, though… If trump could beat out Hillary, Kamala stands no chance in hell.

      Edit: Quit reading into this. It’s an opinion based on observation. It’s fine if you disagree and want to tell me why I’m wrong. I welcome that. But assuming I’m pro-trump or anti-harris because of this comment is an assumption you shouldn’t be making. I said nothing to indicate support for either.

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          “Time” is the greatest clarifier. This narrative you’re talking about isn’t made from lies about Hillary. It is about things that were called called lies at first, but then, over time, were proven to be correct. But by they time they were proven correct, hardly anyone cared about it anymore, the focus had shifted to other topics, and the MSM hardly reported on it.

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        The energy around Clinton was different, even most dems weren’t thrilled with Hillary and she was unpopular with undecided voters, meanwhile we know and have seen the threat that is Trump, and Harris is fairing better so far.

        We’ll see of course, but it’s not as similar as it might seem if you’re just saying “Woman vs Trump is the same”

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          100%. I was so disgusted with how the democrats shoved Bernie under the rug that I voted 3rd party. I also had a small glimmer of hope that Trump would tack left on at least a few things. I won’t be making that mistake again.

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            Are you me?

            It didn’t help that I knew several left leaning people who don’t really get politics and voted for Trump “for the meme” not thinking he’d actually win… Dumb dumb lol

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              Yeah. Don’t get caught out by the fact that 74 million people voted for him last time tho. I’ve always been a fairly 3rd party leaning voter, but no more.

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                  This is from a more detailed comment I made:

                  "Tim waltz (and family) finances. Facts: Tim owns no stock, bonds, mutual funds, ETFs. He owns no real estate, investment property, or otherwise (neither does his wife). He also has no 401k, IRA, or any retirement fund. His net worth is estimated to be 115,000$ to 330,000$. All this is not great, considering he’s 60(ish?) nearing retirement. the average net worth for congresspeople and senators is around $1 million. His only legitimate source of income is his pension.

                  Pros or cons, we can decide for ourselves if all this makes him a better candidate for VP or not. We can make some assumptions, and one assumption I can make is that waltz personally seems to be financially ignorant.

                  There are other pros and cons about Waltz, but as far as finances, Tim Waltz is a scrub. And I think that these facts are very important when considering electing him into a position where he’s at the controls for financial decisions for an ENTIRE country… whatever side you lean toward, all this should be concerning."

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                  There are reasons, but what sticks out to me is that he seems financially illiterate. Neither he nor his wife own a home or any other assets. He owns no business. No stocks, bonds, securities, 401K or investments anywhere. Waltz ownz nothing… None of this is bad, necessarily, if you’re a regular citizen, but I’d want/expect someone running for Vice President to be more financially savvy.

                  Tim waltz is a scrub

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        Hilary lost because she sucked major ass. I didn’t vote in 2016 because fuck political dynasties, and the DNC did everything it could to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination, which unfortunately worked. Being less young and stupid, I probably would have voted for her if I were in 2016 again. I would have hated it though, just as I would have hated voting for Biden but would have done so. I’m not particularly excited about Kamala but she’s definitely a lot more palatable with SO much more appeal than Hillary or Biden had.

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          Hilary lost because she sucked major ass. I didn’t vote in 2016 because fuck political dynasties, and the DNC did everything it could to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination, which unfortunately worked. Being less young and stupid, I probably would have voted for her if I were in 2016 again. I would have hated it though, just as I would have hated voting for Biden but would have done so. I’m not particularly excited about Kamala but she’s definitely a lot more palatable with SO much more appeal than Hillary or Biden had.

          The stupid thing was that they didn’t need to do their dirty tricks. The things like what DWS in Arizona were well after Bernie was mathematically out of the running. I’m a Bernie fan and I voted for him in the primaries in California, but he lost on Super Tuesday (well before CA and AZ voted). He failed to capture the votes and was not really in contention.

          I think Hilary lost for three reasons. 1. Republicans had their smear machine running on her for over a decade. Propaganda works. 2. Her public speaking persona was bad. I heard her speak in a more normal conversation and she sounded smart, articulate, and hitting all the right points. I was impressed. But her speech giving persona was bad and came across as snobbish. 3. Sexism. It’s not THE reason she lost, but I think there was and is a vein of that running through America. “What if it’s her time of the month and she has her finger on the big red button?” “Blood coming out of her whatever”, etc.

          I think time has proven out that she would have been a 10x better president than Trump. Just like Gore would have been 10x better than Bush. So much less death, so much better policy. If they’d been elected, the world would be a different place today. (Stupid undemocratic electoral college system)

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        Wouldn’t be sure:

        • Clinton suffered from an overconfident base, that might not have shown up at the voting sites as they assumed it was in the bag. After 2016, some of those voters hopefully learned a lesson
        • Clinton suffered from a lot of bitter Sanders supporters. This time there was no big ‘other’ candidate people considered to have been cheated out of.
        • I know at least some people not crazy about any ‘dynasty’, and Clinton was mostly remembered by her relationship to Bill. Sure she was Secretary of State (no one cares) and NY senator (which was seen as weird, out of nowhere she was suddenly a NY political figure despite no particular affiliation with NY before).

        Circumstances are different, and I don’t think people were specifically excited over Hilary. I think some were excited about “a” woman candidate, but not really Clinton in particular.

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          Clinton suffered from a lot of bitter Sanders supporters. This time there was no big ‘other’ candidate people considered to have been were cheated out of.

          FTFY

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            I disagree a little bit. If Biden had dropped out earlier, we would have a proper Democratic primary season and to have some other politicians run and make a case for themselves. It feels like Kamala Harris was appointed to be the successor. Of course she would still need to win the general election, but I still feel uneasy that within the party, there was no democratic process.

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              True, but given the timing of when he did drop out, Harris is about as close to approximating a democratic choice as they could manage. She at least was on the ticket in the 2020 election so people did technically vote for her as VP in 2020, with everyone knowing that an 80 year old man becoming incapacitated would mean she would be president. They are at least following the succession as was voted for. Any other person would have absolutely been a “coronation” of sorts on that timescale.

              While you may say “but people don’t really pay too much attention to the VP”, I’d say that Palin tanked McCain’s chances by being obviously unfit for office.

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                I will note the idea Harris was picked at the 2020 primaries is bunk, people don’t vote on a President/VP ticket then(though that would be an interesting system). Harris was picked by Biden, and while she was on the 2020 ticket in the national election it’s impossible to say how many people she swayed.

                I don’t think she’s perfect, but unlike Hillary at least Harris was picked by circumstance, even if unfortunate circumstance, not appointed years in advance like Hillary was. (Hillary had been intending to go for it after she gained some political experience and Bill’s scandal faded. Al Gore was supposed to carry the democrats, but that didn’t work out, and JFK Jr who was being courted for a 2004 run died in a plane crash in 1999, so they had to work with John Kerry which didn’t go well. Then Hillary was ready and initially had party favor, but Obama came in like a locomotive without brakes: All the DNC’s horses and all the RNCs men couldn’t stop Obama in 08, no my friend)

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                  Also that second to last point isn’t 100%, but there’s a lot of rumor and evidence to suggest the plan at the end of Clinton’s term was to bring in Gore, and then either when he lost or ran out his terms JFK Jr. was to be the next guy in line. Him dying and Al Gore losing put them in a tough spot in 2004.

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                It’s kinda funny because Harris was kinda seen as a non-starter for a while as the VP, even among leftists, feels like that feeling has changed recently though.

                I will say it still wasn’t very democratic, they could have done some kinds of snap elections if they really cared, but they don’t lol.

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                  There’s no way they could have pulled off any vaguely credible election from scratch with about a months warning.

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                My point was the timing. It wasn’t good for any other candidates but the incumbent.

                Even if we did voted for Harris as VP, that was 4 years ago. Democracy is not just about a one-time voting, but having regular elections every 4 years. I may have voted for Harris as the VP as part of the ticket, but I should be allowed to change my mind 4 years later to vote for someone else.

                One of my biggest gripes about our two-party system is the lack of competition within both parties. Every 4 years, we are presented with candidates from each respective party and then we’re asked choose the “lesser of the two evils”. It sucks.

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          Overconfident is an understatement. I remember people thinking that Trump was the end of the Republican party, some people actually said that the party would be forced to disband after their crushing defeat in 2016.

          Even many Democrats didn’t like Hillary, but the idea of Trump winning was outright laughable to many. I think that combination of “I don’t want to vote for her” and “there’s no way she can lose” left a lot of people at home twiddling their thumbs instead of going out to vote.

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            I know a lot of people who assumed she would win and later claimed their lack of voting is because of incorrect polls. Very frustrating to hear.

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              I heard many frustrating narratives after low t “won” in 2016. Things like “Democrats are just as bad” (so they voted for Stein or stayed at home), Hillary was gonna take all the gunz, didn’t like her laugh/wouldn’t want to have a beer with her, some fell for low t’s ridiculous talk about what he was going to do for parents (tax credit and/or some child daycare).

              Most exasperating of all were the types that were like “ACA is not perfect, therefore I’m gonna vote for the guy that will fix it”. 🤦‍♂️

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            Even putting that aside, the “bad” was also underestimated.

            So Trump gets 4 years before we can vote him out, he’s bad, but how bad could it be.

            Folks didn’t think about the number of supreme court justices that would go over.

            Folks certainly didn’t expect January 6th to go down the way it did and for there to be lingering aftermath of “if we win again, we will overtly rig the system to prevent losing again”.

            So I hope people view the stakes as higher and the GOP as more dangerous than people would have guessed in 2016.

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            Still got the 5th most votes of any presidential candidate ever. (1st is Biden 2020 and 2nd is Trump 2020, 3rd is 08 Obama, 4th is 2012 Obama)

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    Oh geez… I swear, this sub is becoming just like r/politics… one sided.

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      It is?

      Democrats should not be supporting genocide. Netanyahu should not be able to buy candidates.

      Now watch what happens.

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        You say that as if Trump, as the Republican nominee, would do anything better with Israel

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          Not only is it possible to be upset about genocide (you should try it sometime), it’s also possible to be upset about genocide without being a Trump supporter.

          Thank you for proving the point I was making.

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            Absolutely, 100%… but you didn’t bring that up in this specific post and context because it was a standalone point. You were already bringing the us vs them narrative and now are playing the pearl clutching.

            My only mistake was feeding the troll here

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      That’s because there’s only really one reasonable side. What, do you WANT to see antivax misinfo in here?

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        Now, that’s not fair. Conservatives offer more than just antivax misinfo.

        They also have misogyny, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, anti-education, climate denialism, billionaire worship, war-mongering, domestic terrorism cheerleading and so much more!

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      If you want to see more pro-trump articles posted here then be the change you wish to see in the world: post them yourself.

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      You can’t be sane and support Trump. You just can’t. There’s no debate here. He’s a lunatic and people who support him are lunatics.

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        I didn’t know it was already a thing. I assure you i made that up on the spot. If someone else already made the joke, then i didn’t know. But im glad im not the only person who thinks it’s funny.

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      He’s playing Snakes and Ladders (Chutes and Ladders?) in 4D. The man’s a genius, I tells you.

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      VOTE!! and also there is NO QUESTION his fart sniffing followers will CHEAT FOR HIM — let’s all get this through our heads NOW

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      Of fucking course Trump is going to cheat! In fact, his MAGA flying monkeys are cheating now, as we speak. The Trump campaign is recruiting literally 100,000 poll “observers” (read: saboteurs) to help it cheat. “Donald Trump and the MAGA movement’s coup attempt on Jan. 6 never stopped.”

      The Trump campaign’s main strategy for 2024 isn’t to actually win votes. It’s to deliberately interfere with the counting of the votes and cast so much FUD on the process that as many states as possible either won’t (because they’re MAGA-controlled) or can’t (because there was genuinely that much disruption) certify their votes. In other words, he wants to file dozens of lawsuits challenging the results again, but manufacture valid bases for them this time. Combine that with the chaos of more Jan 6-style violence, and it’s very likely he will succeed in getting a decisive number of swing states decided by the Supreme Court a la Bush v. Gore – and not only does the Supreme Court have a MAGA majority, three of the fucking “justices” were lawyers on Bush’s side in that very court case!

      This is why Trump is going around telling his supporters that they won’t have to vote anymore after this election, and why he doubled down on it when given the chance to walk it back. He has every intention of so thoroughly destroying Americans’ trust in Federal elections that four years from now he will simply make a dictatorial decree that it is pointless to have them and he will simply remain in power indefinitely.

      Trump is 100% committed to seizing power and being coronated as America’s king, votes be damned.

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        More people need to be taking about this. The only way to stop it is to shine as bright a light as possible on it.

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      Every Communist foreign leader, but yeah, he stands right next to them in that line of idiots.

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        China and Vietnam seem to be doing pretty well as counties. China is markedly more Authoritarian than Vietnam (which is more unionist/laborist), but both are providing livability to their citizens.

        Vietnam actually has less homelessness than the US.

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          I heard China had dropped the ball on housing. Apparently home ownership is getting really cheap there. The poor fools. Tsk tsk.

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            Lets not suck the red fascists off, sons of bitches built a bunch of “tofu building” which will fall apart. Combine that with some other trite mixed in with their housing and they probably will only be cheap cause everything implodes.

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    Just to remind everyone in 2016 people had pretty much already planned their Clinton victory parties and everyone “knew” that Trump was going to lose, the polling was so clear and Trump was such a joke. Perhaps some even took care of “more important” stuff than voting because it was so sure.

    So keep your excitement to take you to the voting booths rather than letting it make you complacent.

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      Unfortunately I don’t see Kamala winning just yet, nothing is certain, there’s a lot of Trump supporters in the wood work, and the establishment liberal media play a game of “maybe if we pretend they’re losing, they’ll lose”.

      …which is wishful thinking that destroys people’s grip on reality, and causes a lot of voters to not bother to show up.

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          I think it’s pretty obvious that if that guy gets elected, it’s going to be a shitstorm, and that isn’t good for the establishment.

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          Are you kidding? The “establishment” (mainstream) media is extremely left. They don’t like trump and do all they can to hurt his campaign.

          Where do you live?

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              Ok, maybe it’s more correct to say ‘totally’ left or ‘completely’ left, but that’s what it is. That’s why it’s called the “liberal media.”

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                The term “liberal media” is only used by those within the corporate media itself, right wing kool-aid drinkers, or with scare quotes around it by the actual left.

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                  The term “liberal media” is a correct term because 90% of major news outlets (and media in general) lean left. This is accepted by everyone who has eyes to see.

                  This is a good place for you to be. It’s easy to do little research and find that MSM leans left, like 95% of major news outlets do. The bias for things that are left of center in media isn’t even argued by left, or right, or anyone. The only people who don’t realize this are those who have “drank the kool-aid”. Please, just do a couple of google searches. These major news outlets don’t even really hide it. Google “the liberal media” or “major news outlets bias”. Something like that.

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              … NBC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX (fox has fallen into this group recently), etc. It’s crazy that more folks don’t realize this. 90% of MSM is pro liberal agenda.

              Liberals know mostly know this, but they don’t care because they are on their side. MSM bias for the left isn’t even argued. It’s common knowledge (at least it should be).

              Many many local news stations are also run by this media conglomerate, and that’s why you will see all these news stations reading from the same script. They have a collective agenda. Well, actually, it’s not THEIR agenda, it’s the agenda of a VERY small group fed to these stations to repeat.

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                Lmfao including all of those in the same sentence is good times

                And then calling them all liberal! Lmfao! And then calling liberal, left! LMFAO!

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      Thanks for saying this. It’s Mid-August. There are two whole months in which things can go wildly off the rails. Rather than celebrating polls in mid-August, let’s take this happy energy and make plans to go to the only poll that matters – the actual election – and make these mid-August hopes turn into January certainty. Plan the celebrations after we win in November, to coincide with Harris taking the Oath in January.

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        There are two whole months in which things can go wildly off the rails.

        It’s astonishing how long the US election cycle is. There’s longer until the next US election than the entire campaign here in the UK, yet it’s all I’ve heard about for the past three years.

        Can you guys not just chill the fuck out?

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          Obviously not. If people would chill out it would have to be about judging and responding to actual policy decision, instead of watching GoT political drama.

          The longer the election cycle, the more politics are a show and bad policy can be justified with “election tactics”.

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          Can you guys not just chill the fuck out?

          I used to go years between worrying about politics before Trump was president. I’m hoping those days can return somehow.

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            Yes, this. During his “presidency”, I got so sick of dreading the morning’s news. When I’d see someone else and they’d say “did you see/hear what he did now?”, you didn’t even have to ask who “he” was; you knew.

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              It was exhausting and the country barely survived it. I have no idea what’s in store for any of us if they put his ass back there again.

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              “Make Politics Boring Again” Republicans have by-and-large politicized a HUGE number of things that should simply be left up to the scientific community. We shouldn’t NEED to have hearings on whether the planet is warming. The debate should be on minutia that aims to bring equity to all humanity, and frankly that’s pretty boring.

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      and there’s plenty of time for the propaganda machine to find a server, laptop or some other bullshit to give people an excuse to not vote for her.

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        Honestly, I think this is one of the many reasons the hard right hate mail-in voting. There is less time for them pull off their typical rat-fucking dirty tricks if people already mailed in their votes.

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      Yea while Kamala is ahead in the polls , a frighteningly large amount of people still support 45

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        Even then, the error % on polls is high enough that Trump could be ahead instead.

        Polls post their calculated error %. If they could be off by like 5% in either direction, then that’s what they say. And if the poll shows Trump losing by 2%, with a 5% error, that means Trump could win by 3%.

        Every single reputable poll that has been published shows a Trump victory within the margin of error.

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            No, they just don’t have to poll massive groups, surprisingly small groups work well enough for polling.

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              Well they didn’t prove shit when they said Hillary was gonna win. Just gonna say I’m not ever gonna trust one.

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                Polls are all about probability. They can’t predict the future. So, even though Hillary was likely to win, there was still a chance that Trump could win. Does this mean that polls are useless? No, because knowing the popularity of your candidate relative to the other candidates is important information.

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                Almost every poll had him winning within the margin of error, 2016 was never certain, just like this election isn’t.

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      And make sure you tell everyone else to get out and vote.

      Offer carpools to take people to vote if you can. We need numbers at the booths. Especially if you’re in a swing state or red.

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      The polls only look good because they’re so much better than they were for Biden. It’s still a toss-up, because those percentages are within the margin of error of the polls. (At least, for most of the swing states.)

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      The mainstream media just doesn’t reflect/represent the majority of Americans anymore and hasn’t for quite some time, actually.

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        This would suggest that the polls indicated that Hilary was more popular despite Trump going on to win the popular vote. This did not happen. The majority of Americans dislike Trump and he lost the popular vote and never had an approval rating over 50%.

        However, there’s a lot of reporting on polls that operate like the popular vote, despite the popular vote not really mattering.

        The actual assessment is that the electoral college just doesn’t reflect/represent the majority of Americans, and it never really did.

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      Yeah, don’t be so sure of winning that you get too lazy to fricking vote. And also watch out because I’m sure there will be some dirty tricks around polling stations as certain Republican areas get desperate

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    Before anyone starts getting a bit too high off their own supply Harris’s polling averages peaked on August 12th. They were stagnant or declining on the 13th and 14th, briefly spiked on the 15th, and that spike was completely undone on the 16th. Today is dropping again. Not big drops, like 1/10th of a point every other day(which day depends on which conglomerates you use), but the growth trend is over.

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        Today is an all time high on slightly right leaning RCP, and a slight rebound on 538(But not to 12th/13th/15th levels). More like 16th or 11th evening. RCP tends to lag a bit on D rises and vice versa for 538 so we’ll see. Still suggests the overall strong growth trend passed and we’re nearing a ceiling. Not a bad ceiling, a winning ceiling, but it’s there.

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      it’s also only a matter of time before Fox News finds some kind of bullshit to sink their teeth into that changes swing voters minds.

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      We’re draining his power, and we cannot stop. There can be no question that this referendum on him and the culture he fosters is wrong and cannot/ will not be tolerated any longer.

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    Angry orange will never stop flailing. Hes simply out of his depth and all the life preservers being thrown to him are just so much wet paper and about as effective