i mean i could have told them it was going to suck based on the trailer, but they don’t consult me. crow was a 90s edgelord-porn. it was only ever decent at best. to reboot it well would take some major deviations and much better writing. the trailer made it obvious it did none of that.
Lol edgelord-porn. You’ve given me new descriptors.
I couldn’t stand even the previews for it in the 90’s…it just looked awful.
i watched the original, and it was ok, but the fandom around it that i recall was similar to the people that took Joaquin Phoenix’s or Heth Ledger’s Joker portrayals a bit too seriously and idolized it a bit too hard.
I already watched Suicide Squad once, I don’t wanna see this Joker again
Victims, arent we all?
Keeping the legacy of terrible Crow movies alive.
Did they remember to kill the lead actor half way into production, this time?
EDIT: Too soon?
I haven’t seen the original since I saw it too young as a kid. Anyone here think it’s held up enough to be worth a rewatch?
It wasn’t good when it came out, why would it be good now? I understand this is an unpopular opinion, but it always wasn’t good.
Anything specific? I can overlook a lot of cinematic and technical issues in a film if the script and talent are good.
The script was boring, the plot was…boring. It was supposed to be like this fun, edgy thing and it wasn’t. They sold aesthetic, and for a time when that aesthetic was cool, this didn’t even come close to making it feel cool. I was a kid when this came out, and I saw it then and I didn’t enjoy it. I watched about half of it recently and I still found it boring and not entertaining.
That’s what I was actually afraid of, thanks. I’m not the most critical guy about films, but I cannot abide a weak script.
I thought The Crow was universally loved
Cut them some slack. Their star left the production in the middle of a shot!
I loved the Crow, I thought it was awesome, but I was also a kid when I saw it. Nonetheless, differences of opinions are all good.
That being said, I’m not sure it stands the test of time
My friend loved the Crow 2 over the original and that blew my mind because I thought the sequel wasn’t great …
Wife and I accidentally watched the sequel a few months ago, she was surprised I had never heard of the crow and I kinda had difficulty finding it on streaming. Watched the sequel first because it had been 15 years since she’s seen it she thought that was it. Watching both close together I thought the sequel had a better overall story but production, budget and acting were all severely worse but enjoyed both.
I was a kid too. All my friends loved it. They all wanted to watch it over and over. I found nothing good about it. It always just felt cringe to me.
If you were a kid when The Crow came out, you are too old to be using “cringe” as an adjective.
Edit: ITT: people for whom saying “cringe” is very close to their heart
The original movie came out in 1994, meaning that if you were a kid when it came out, you’re a millennial. ”Cringe” is early Gen Z slang and it’s a derivative of “cringe-worthy,” so it’s not like anyone is going to be confused about how to use it. What are you, the age police?
Tldr: Okay, Boomer.
The purpose of slang is to signal group identity. There is slang that says, “I’m a kid.” I guess there is a cultural aspect but to my ear, calling something “cringe” sounds like something kids say, because mostly in my everyday life, I only hear children saying it like it made up a fair chunk of their entire vocabulary.
When a GenXer or old Millennial use it, it can come across as either affected or immature. shrug
The purpose of slang is to signal group identity.
That’s a purpose of slang, not its only purpose.
Slang can also be more efficient (“cringe” is one syllable; “cringe-worthy” is three) and it contributes to the evolution of language, leading some terms - like “cringe” to become more mainstream and to see use outside of the group that popularized them.
Besides, Gen Z might have come up with “cringe,” but millennials were practicing nounification, verbification, and adjectification when Gen Z was still learning to talk, and that’s all “cringe” as an adjective is.
to my ear, calling something “cringe” sounds like something kids say, because mostly in my everyday life, I only hear children saying it like it made up a fair chunk of their entire vocabulary.
The oldest Gen Z-ers are 27 and the youngest are 12, so almost none of them are “kids” anymore - they’re teens and adults. But there’s also a difference between using slang on the internet and in in-person contexts, particularly more formal ones. Slang that’s common in one group might not be in another group in the same age range, even if they’re geographically similar. But even so, I’ve heard millennials use (and over-use) “cringe” in public and in private.
When a GenXer or old Millennial use it, it can come across as either affected or immature.
A 6 year old in 1994 would have been born in 1988, which is right in the middle of the millennial range (1981-1996), meaning they wouldn’t be an “old Millennial.” But even if they were born in ‘81, my opinion wouldn’t change. Focusing too much on who “should” use a term like “cringe,” especially online, isn’t at all productive, and isn’t very different from telling someone they’re not a big enough fan to wear a t-shirt or to cosplay as a character they think is cool. They’re both just gatekeeping, plain and simple.
right, i can’t use a word that existed before i did to accurately describe a feeling i have. got it.
I’m sorry, it was a careless comment and I should have known you would not appreciate it. If I wanted to complain about it I should have done it elsewhere.
you are too old to be using “cringe” as an adjective.
I’m 45 and have used cringe as an adjective since before most people who do were alive. It’s not a new thing.
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The original was a time and a place thing imo. It was a vibe that had a lot to do with the music, a lot to do with the awful circumstances surrounding Brandon’s death. You know at the time there were conspiracies a surrounding those circumstances tying into the death of Bruce Lee too so the movie had this lore to it from the start. The other thing worth mentioning is that at the time goth/industrial (dare I say it…) emo were an actual thing. I personally saw the first film in 16 up docs, my girlfriends skinny jeans and yes a touch of the old eyeliner. What I’m saying is it was relevant to a subset of the youth market. Not sure that’s true today.
Honestly, with the resurgence of the dress of goth/emo without any of the requisite music taste, a huge rewatch of the crow by gen Z could realistically give us a goth girl winter.
We always did joke that wearing all black would eventually be “normie” and dressing like a gap model would become “alternative”.
It’s a great installment in the grimdark genre. It won’t blow your socks off but it does the dark, brooding genre well.
We watched it last
Devil’s NightHalloween. I was worried that watching it again was going to ruin yet another wonderful memory from my youth, but we still enjoyed it. It’s not the same watching it outside of the darkness of the grunge era from which it was created, but it’s still a good, and entertaining movie. Definitely worth a rewatch.Devil’s Night is the night before Halloween, more commonly called Mischief Night (at least when I was growing up).
I’ll probably give it a go this October, yeah
It’s not a cinematic masterpiece but it had a distinctive look and vibe with a cool soundtrack, interestingly strange plot. I saw it again a few years ago and remembered why I liked it as an angsty teen.
Fantastic soundtrack. I still listen to it.
I’ve rewatched it and still enjoyed it. This was probably a couple years ago.
I think it’s absolute trash. But I don’t even remember if i ever liked it. I used to hang out with some goth kids who based their personality around that movie so i always remembered it as “cool”.
I wouldn’t say it is trash, but it does not hold up well imo. The best thing it has going for it is its soundtrack
Absolutely.
A film that was routinely asked not to be made by fans is shit, suprise.
The Crow worked due to Brandon Lee, his father’s legacy, and being the 90s. It was a collection of events that made an instant cult classic film.
Brandon Lee was also a good actor, and had most of the good lines in the film.
“And I say, ‘I am dead, and I move.’”
Fans routinely asked that no one make a Blade Runner sequel too. Sometimes fans don’t know what they’re talking about.
BR2049 is shit. A mix of uninspired stuff, nice concept art and fan service, with a bad CGI Rachel.
I love Villeneuve’s work elsewhere, but there he really fucked up.
You are shit. I base this in the fact that you are shit. Please don’t debate this because I will not be able to defend. In closing fuck you and have a nice day.
Are you lost? Come with me, I will help you find your mommy.
I completely disagree with it being shit, but your complaints still have some merit. I just think the end product overcomes those flaws by a mile.
Except for it being called Blade Runner and not striking any resemblance to the original.
If it came out as it’s own thing I would have called it a good movie, although a bit bland and with poorly written characters, but as a sequel to Blade Runner, no way.
I enjoyed the new Blade Runner, but it wasn’t anywhere nearly as good as the original. Also, big difference between a sequel and a reboot
I feel blade runner was good. The original was better but fans were excited for the second one.
Background: I only watched the original before watching the sequel.
IMO, the sequel is better.
I felt like it took everything good about the original and improved upon it.
My suspicion is that people who prefer the original are nostalgic for it.
Meh, I thought the second would have been a great movie if it was 20-30 minutes shorter. My god some of those scenes drag on.
The first was ground breaking for its time. I don’t think it is nostalgia (although there is probably some) so much as context. A lot of the things that had people’s jaws on the floor are commonplace now. It’s hard to recreate that illusion especially if you’re comparing it to modern movies.
Between this and Borderlands, movies being in production hell forever seems to usually be a bad sign. Now I’m getting worried about Blade…
I mean yeah, they’ve already gone through 2 directors and it’s in limbo again. Not a good sign
Some productions are always trying to ice skate uphill.
And The Hobbit (respect to Del Toro for giving up before it was too late). And Justice League (even if, after Dawn of the Dead and 300, Snyder never did a good one again).
Blade? Did they bring Wesley Snipes back? Haven’t seen that guy since Expendables 2 and they did him dirty with the CGI Parkour.
No it’s someone called Mahershala Ali. With the sunglasses on he does actually look quite a lot like a young Wesley Snipes.
young Wesley Snipes
That’s incredibly generous. The guy’s already 50 years old. 15 years older than Snipes was in the original Blade!
I think I’m referring more to his face shape. Like Wesley Snipes’ face shape changed as he got older. But I also didn’t realise the new guy was 50, Hollywood is a crazy place.
the last I heard of Blade was that it was going to be a cut-rate production and that “the story at one point morphed into a narrative led by women and filled with life lessons, with Blade relegated to the fourth lead” but that was apparently dropped? I don’t follow Disney/MCU like at all, but I came across this story and it stuck with me because it was kinda bizarre.
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/marvel-blade-movie-budget-changes-female-led-story/
I heard that, too, but it’s changed writers like 3-4 times so it’s probably different now lol.
Arcane was in production hell for like 6 years and according to the documentary on its making the story got scraped and rewritten at least once. Sometimes it works. Arcane is so good.
The soulless cash grab wasn’t good?
That’s too bad.
I watched the trailer for this earlier, mostly in surprise that the remake actually happened. I had no idea it was finished and ready for release.
Anyway, while you shouldn’t really judge a movie purely by its trailer, what I will say is that a crucial element that makes The Crow (comic and original movie) work so well is that Eric and Shelley are just normal people trying to live normal lives in shitty circumstances. We can see ourselves in them, falling (no pun intended) into a bad situation through no fault of our own.
From what I can tell, in this they’ve made them angsty, drug taking edgelords, because that’s…edgier, I guess. Why should we really give a shit about Eric Wick’s revenge tour when we can’t relate to him in the slightest?
What a surprise!
I can’t imagine there would be a remake except for the incident.
I could have told them this before they started making it, and saved them the time. There is only one Crow, and his name was Brandon Lee.
It can’t rain all the time.
