“The FBI visited my house today for free speech acts they knew were not crimes.”
Uh, calling for violence is NOT protected under the first amendment, so you can fuck right off with that.
“It is well understood that the right of free speech is not absolute at all times and under all circumstances. There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any Constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or ‘fighting’ words – those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.”
In Terminiello v. Chicago (1949), the Supreme Court narrowed the scope of what constitutes fighting words. The Court found that words which produce a clear and present danger are unprotected (and are considering fighting words), but words which invite dispute and even cause unrest are protected (and are not considered fighting words).
sure, but this guy is not even being charged with anything. we are talking about a warning.
this guy is not even being charged with anything
He feels threatened, though. That violates his NAP.
If these were black kids playing across the street rather than armed FBI agents pounding on his door, he likely would have tried to gun them down already.
Nor should he be. What he said was most likely “protected” speech.
but very close to not being protected, hence the warning.
I mean if Trump’s speech for Jan 6 didn’t count…
Trump was actually arrested for that though.
Although it was for more than just the speech.
Wait. This means that art with lewd, obscene, or profane content is not protected?
And exactly what is “lewd, obscene, or profane” is not actually defined in the law.
Surely that’s never been abused in the past. No, sir.
Republicans can’t read.
Only speech.
Write is not speech!
But money is
I wouldn’t call that speech. That implies some thought went behind it. More like yapping and blabbering.
They certainly won’t, in any case. Just look at how they talk about the Constitution, history, religion…
For people who seem to consistently break the law, you’d think they would want to know what their rights actually are.
Speedrunning into insanity much?
Meanwhile… Democrats be like…
i mean, i think anyone who assassinated trump would be a hero too. it really isn’t crossing the line and shouldn’t be. it’s just exchanging ideas.
he said he’d be a dictator on day one. If nobody manages to kill trump its proof that the 2nd amendment doesn’t work.
Murder is definitely crossing a line. The line is called “murder” and you cross it when you assassinate someone.
Is it different if they are trying to have you killed? Like am I allowed to hunt my hunters?
sure but just saying “that assassin is a hero” isn’t.
Can’t you just imagine all those Libertarians sitting around in their nightly circle jerk talking about this? “I really showed those guys!” “You sure did!” <fap><fap<fap> “I sent them packing with the First Ammendment!” “You sure did!” <fap><fap><fap> “They were so embarasses!” “So embarassed!” <fap><fap><fap> “Then I decided to take the posts down on my own, not because they showed up!” “On your own!” <fap><fap><fap>
It sounds to me as though those two guys from the FBI delivered their message loud and clear. Doesn’t it sound like that to you, too?
It sounds to me as though you have weird fantasies about libertarians, lol
You’re projecting.
I’m not the one who wrote out a whole scenario involving a “nightly circle jerk” among Libertarians, complete with sound effects, lol.
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That he thought got 'em in that video and decided to post it is absolutely hilarious.
“mUh rEgImE!”
I mean, he kinda did. I am a liberal that is perfectly fine with some exercising their rights. If he was wrong they would have showed ID and arrested him. Although a lot of first amendment auditors lean right/far right I still appreciate what they do.
Ah yes, thinly veiled calls for stochastic terrorism. A totally cool and normal thing to do.
Not sure what you are saying here at all? It is not in the first amendment to protect anyone from instigating or encouraging injuries/death to another. They could arrest and detain him and confiscate his computers and start an investigation if they wanted, that just costs more, so they likely are following a protocol of dumb fuck says dumb comment. Start remote investigation. Find something more, make sure he knows they’re aware. If he persists things will escalate
Did you read the comment I’m replying to? Because what you said had nothing to do with that.
I don’t like this guy, but unless the FBI shows up with a search warrant or an arrest warrant, the FBI can piss right off.
Nah. If you post rhetoric online that might get someone killed, you get visited by the top brass. Clearly he doesn’t have to talk or let them in, but their visit lead to his posts being removed and now he knows he’s being watched and has been warned. If he posts something again like that, they may just get that warrant but now they may not need to.
It seems like a case of the government intimidating and harassing a guy (who is awful, no doubt) who seems to have done nothing illegal, based on the fact that he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.
Are we really okay with this?
Threats against the VP are very illegal. He’s trying the stupid age old trick “someone else would be a hero” routine. To which I say the FBI showing up and saying that’s not ok is fine by me. Don’t know if they have to give him a warning or what.
I think that the post may be a violation of law and it’s just not being charged. It’s like pulling someone over for speeding, and giving them a warning instead of a ticket.
I’m perfectly okay with people in charge of protecting national security following up on threatening posts that may put the life of the VP in danger. I wouldn’t be okay if they forced entry or overstepped their power. I didn’t think following up like this is crossing any lines and is arguably the best way to handle something like this.
What do you feel would be more prudent, just to leave it be?
I hate cops and all that shit, but how was he intimidated and harassed? He got the response he wanted and now he can wave his little dick around fascist land.
Just because someone isn’t arrested doesn’t mean they haven’t done something illegal. It’s called an investigation and you can be arrested at a later time. I’d prefer that to just arresting people, wtf.
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Right! Legal consequences; arrest the guy, charge him with something!
But showing up to intimidate him and not arrest him? I don’t want my government doing that to me the next time I say something they don’t like.
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Nah, the person you’re responding to is right. Arrest the fuckhead. No warning needed.
Im honestly agreeing with you but this shithead could stand to actually face consequences. He made a threat and should pay for it.
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Yes, we are. “Free speech” isn’t unlimited, and one of the limits is speech whose purpose is to encourage violence, aka. the “fighting words” doctrine.
So not only does he suck, but he did in fact do something illegal.
If he did something illegal – and I am not saying he didn’t – I am 100% in favor of the FBI showing up and arresting him.
You’re getting predictably trashed in this thread, but I wanted to thank you for bringing a small semblance of sanity to this ridiculous circle jerk.
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Can I get a lol with a side of smh?
lol smh
That’s less a look of “shame”, and more a look of “how am I even in the same subset of genetic distribution as this moron?”
Democratic regime manifest
Never thought I’d see someone unironically chant Democracy Manifest, but here we are
This is democracy manifest! Can’t a man enjoy a succulent Chinese meal?! A succulent Chinese meal!!!
A Chinese meal? THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS!!
Ahh, yes. I see you know your judo well.
Now do Elon.
Didn’t the SS do that?
Waffen?
Secret service.
Don’t let nazis control parts of our language.
With the people Elon has been endorsing I think it’s a fair question.
Not everyone lives in The US and i thought the same.
Ohhh right.
Oh geez…both sides love to throw this whole “Nazism” thing around…
?? Secret Service = Nazism? Since when?
Some would argue since the term Nazism was around but…
I meant secret service.
The SS were an elite division of political soldiers under Hitler.
To be fair, I’ve never seen Secret Service abbreviated to SS.
Ahh then I guess you never worked a government job? They abbreviate everything as much as possible. I totally forgot about the SS Nazi thing and assumed it was Secret Service.
No I’ve never worked a government job. But you are right, they like to abbreviate everything haha.
Judging from the amount of kids he’s got, I think Elon’s been “done” enough.
My favorite part of the article is where the libertarians called Lincoln a tyrant who was rightly assassinated.
Very cool and normal.
Libertarians denounce Lincoln as a tyrant, then spill a gallon of ink praising Coolidge, Eisenhower, and Reagan for brutalizing Latin America and terrorizing American immigrant communities.
They don’t give a shit about Freedom and Liberty. They’re just white nationalists. They want to bring the old plantation system back.
Shows how stupid they are, the new plantation system is much more profitable than the old one.
Yeah it’s very telling that the president they hate the most is the one who ended slavery, and second place was the first black president.
Hey, now. They also really hate FDR and LBJ.
Did they check on elon musk as well?
Yes actually. They opened an investigation.
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They’re the “anti-vaxxers” of politics. Like those who have lived in a world for such a long time without the death toll faced by people pre-modern medicine then complain about having to get vaccinated the people that seek political upheaval and want a dictator never faced living in a country run by a dictator and all the problems that go with it. So tossing out ideas to start a fascist regime are the same as being anti-vax, they’ve never lost children and parents to diseases that vaccines would have prevented over a lifetime, they’ve never had family and friends picked up by State political police, beaten, disappeared or jailed because of something they said or because a neighbor turned them in for something.
Exactly this.
Based on my 2020 experience, seeing people whining about not being able to go to Olive Garden, I am pretty sure that the keyboard warriors are not prepared for the inconvenience of living in a war zone.
It’s like the will to power but triggered by boredom and misplaced dissatisfaction with the status quo. Back in the day these would be people saying that this generation needs a war (this is before proxy wars and remote warfare)
It reminds me of Mike Tyson’s quote,
Social media made y’all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.
I think what’s happening is that many people live in a bubble, believing it’s okay to say anything because they have “freedom of speech.”
But in reality, they don’t have the guts to insult someone to their face, let alone threaten them with assassination.
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Athathination.
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Fuck yeah, FBI party!!!
I disagree.
There’s probably a better argument that either:
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Political assassinations (as a subset of misnamed ‘vigilante justice’) are never good and we shouldn’t reinforce that precedent, or
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That person would be a hero to the planet and the future, not just present day America.
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Fuck that. I just want our law to apply equally so he would be in prison, like any of us would for the same crime.
The latest move of delaying the sentencing to 2 weeks after election is appealing. He announced he is running AFTER DOJ started investigating him and now judge is afraid to sentence it because GOP picked him despite being a convicted felon?
What’s worst is that if he wins the sentence likely will be a slap in the wrist, because they won’t want him for example using military to avoid jail. If he loses the election, then he will immediately appeal, and likely judge will allow him to remain free during appeal process.
We have two tier justice system.
I think he should be tried for treason. And if convicted suffer the full punishment for that. He is a clear and present threat to democracy. No one should be able to invite an insurrection and have it not be taken as seriously as it was.
Alas, we don’t live in that world.
Did someone hear something coming from the anonymous abyss? Real name and address and I bet you get your wish.
I’d get more attention from people here than the FBI lol
True, lol.
They won’t because this is a fact.
😇
Yes
Not nearly as edgy as that beard smear ^smeard? they’re sportin’ there. 🥲
I’m not sure “Trump is a martyr” leads to the timeline you think it does.
It does…without his cult of personality I think the magats fizzle out and slink back into the dark corners of society
Maybe they find a new Messiah in Elon, but I don’t think he has the lack of intelligence to lie like Trump does.
Musk is at least ineligible to run for president
Trump is going to be a martyr no matter how he dies.
I mean, look how they deified Elvis.
Tell me how martyrdom worked out for Mussolini
… what?
Velvet Elvis? Cool. Velvet Cheeto? Not cool.
Sorry, I’m lost
Elvis was Jesus-ified after death and tacky, roadside velvet Elvis art could be purchased and displayed to show your devotion to the King. Love of a musical icon is one thing. But, martyred fascists are not kitsch or cool. Either one will let you know what kind of a home you stepped into. Both would be in bad taste but one is so bad it’s good and the other is so bad, it’s baaaad. And not Michael Jackson bad.
Ahhh. Got it
Wait, so Che Guevara tee shirts aren’t woke? Well, fuck.
I mean these assassination attempts barely stick around the news cycle longer than other shootings and my guess is people are tired enough of him not to care. Hate crime incidence spiked when he won in 2016, so also.theres no version of this election that doesn’t lead to violence. May as well excise the cancer entirely.
Anyone who kills Donald Trump would be an enemy of the people, just like the other scum that fight to keep him from facing consequences for his crimes.
Enemy of the state, not of the people. ;)
My bet is that they don’t care, since that’s clearly an opinion with no intent. Everyone has already been saying basically that when discussing the assassination attempt. Try adding one of the follow-ups:
Follow-up posts added: ‘The point of the second amendment is to shoot and kill tyrannous politicians’ and ‘encouraging politicians to be shot is legal under the first amendment. It’s part of what makes this country great.’
Those are even closer to the line (maybe even crossing it) than the initial tweet. This guy was still not arrested for any of it. The agents just feel mandated to act on tips or something.
Awww. There goes my trip to a black site :(
