Donald Trump continues to suck up to the Russian president.

If Ukraine were to suddenly surrender to Russia, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.

During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Ukraine’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.

“Ukraine is gone. It’s not Ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.


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  • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
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    This was his strategy in Afghanistan too!

    Arguably that was always going to end with a Taliban takeover, but we could’ve done that without giving them a leg up.

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      If only we’d continued our brutal occupation of Afghanistan another 20 years, maybe the regime would’ve lasted another two weeks after we left.

      Y’all are completely hopeless, enjoy your forever wars.

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          If we had pulled out then, the regime we were propping up would instantly collapse and the withdrawal would’ve been messy and y’all would be criticizing Obama for pulling out the exact same way you’re criticizing the pullout the way it actually played out, because it was always going to play out the same way.

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            Criticism >>>> More American soldiers dying in a pointless war

            Mike Gravel said it best:

            You know what’s worse than a soldier dying in vain? It’s more soldiers dying in vain.

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              That quote directly contradicts you criticizing the stance of giving up on Afghanistan. I should be the one quoting it at you. I cannot make any sense of your position whatsoever.

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                Not giving up, tipping the scales to favor a terrorist organization. His “deal” gave the Taliban greater legitimacy, bolstered their numbers, and probably gave them all a good laugh as we held up our end and they almost immediately violated the agreement.

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                  So what? We got out, so it was a success. The Taliban were always going to take over, they didn’t get “legitimized” by making a deal with the US, they got legitimized by winning the war. And so what if they did? Afghanistan is officially Not Our Problem.

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        Are people like this just incapable of grasping nuance? I can only definitively speak for myself, but I’m pretty sure nobody here wants forever wars (maybe there are some dumb tankies that think they want it)

        We all wanted out of Afghanistan, we just would prefer to have, you know, an actual plan.

        But you know that already, don’t you? Or are you actually that ignorant?

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          And what would that plan have looked like, exactly? How do you pull out of the country, watch the inevitable collapse of the regime you spent 20 years building, and hand the county over to your enemies without it being messy and getting egg on your face?

          It was inevitable that things would play out the way they did, and it needed to happen. Biden made the call and accepted the fallout for a completely necessary and good decision that everyone had been calling for for years. And yet, rather than taking credit for it, y’all want to try to shift it over to Trump! That’s insane to me.

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            You should take a moment to read up on the topic.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020–2021_U.S._troop_withdrawal_from_Afghanistan

            Trump signed the original agreement with the Taliban. Biden delayed the deal from May until September. Trump had a year to handle sorting the agreement he made.

            Most of us understand both presidents failed in it’s execution. It’s important you know that Trump lit a short fuse and walked away.

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              Trump failed in it’s execution because we were still there when he left office. Biden succeeded in it’s execution as evidenced by the fact that we are no longer there.

              I will repeat my question, since you didn’t answer it at all: How do you pull out of the country, watch the inevitable collapse of the regime you spent 20 years building, and hand the county over to your enemies without it being messy and getting egg on your face?

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            Did I ever claim to be a fucking expert on military operations? I don’t fucking know what that plan would look like. That doesn’t mean I’m ok with how it went down.

            It was absolutely not inevitable that it went down that way… Do you already forget how bad that shit was?

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              That’s a completely ridiculous stance. You have no alternative whatsoever to what happened, and as I pointed out, it was always going to be messy because it represented 20 years of total failure, but you’re criticizing it… why? Because the news told you to? The same news that lied us into the wars in the first place?

              I didn’t forget how bad the pullout was, I just also didn’t forget how bad the occupation was. Ending the war deserves enough props to outweigh any mistakes made in the pullout.