I’m confused, how can a company that’s gained numerous advantages from being non-profit just switch to a for-profit model? Weren’t a lot of the advantages (like access to data and scraping) given with the stipulation that it’s for a non-profit? This sounds like it should be illegal to my brain
Money and purchasing the right people.
Careful you’re making too much sense here and overlapping with Elmo’s view on the subject
Guess I’m out of the loop. Who’s Elmo?
Musk
angry Sesame Street noises
Elongated Muskrat
Leon.
A stopped clock is still correct twice a day.
And OpenAI is still less correct than a broken clock.
I’m confused, how can a company that’s gained numerous advantages from being non-profit just switch to a for-profit model
Money
Their non-profit status had nothing to do with the legality of their training data acquisition methods. Some of it was still legal and some of it was still illegal (torrenting a bunch of books off a piracy site).
Well maybe not on paper but they did leverage it a lot when questioned
USA tho
Can’t do crimes if you’re rich. It’s in the Constitution
Money doesn’t have any advantages in other countries? When did that happen?
I don’t see where I said that.
You can no longer make the same connection you did earlier?
the person that you’re replying to said something that’s true about the USA. they didn’t say anything about other countries.
for another example, i can say “if you’re in the USA, then the current year is 2024” and that statement will be true. it is also true in every other country (for the moment), but that’s besides the point.
And I replied that it’s also true in other countries, it’s not a problem only the US has. It’s not besides the point. It’s acting as if only the US has the problem.
And I specifically mentioned the USA because that’s the country where OpenAI operates and where the events in the article take place, so if someone asks why it’s so easy for OpenAI to go from being a nonprofit to a for-profit company (this was the issue I was responding to, not some general question about whether money has influence around the world), it’s the laws of the USA that are relevant, not the laws of other countries.
These people claimed their product can pass the bar exam (it was a lie). Tells you how they feel about the legal system
What! A! Surprise!
I’m shocked, I tell you, totally and utterly shocked by this turn of events!
Well, not that shocked.
Sam Altman is demonstrating the power of AI. He’s showing how a single CEO can fire the entire company and continue to develop the product to be even better than when humans were involved.
“OpenAI. No real humans involved!” ™
My name is Saltyalman and I speak for the trees bee-ach!
They should be required to change their name
SkyNet.
Please take no offense in this, I will probably not use your name suggestions, SatansMaggotyCumFart
I’m deeply offended.
I mean killer robots from the future could solve many problems. I can elaborate, but you’re going to have to think 4th dimensionally.
Could solve a lot of problems for the rich, that’s for sure.
It’s amusing. Meta’s AI team is more open than "Open"AI ever was - they publish so many research papers for free, and the latest versions of Llama are very capable models that you can run on your own hardware (if it’s powerful enough) for free as long as you don’t use it in an app with more than 700 million monthly users.
It’s the famous “As long as your not Google, Amazon or Apple” licence.
which seems like a decent license idea to me
Everything should be licensed like that
Needs Microsoft added to the list.
That’s because Facebook is selling your data and access to advertise to you. The better AI gets across the board, the more money they make. AI isn’t the product, you are.
OpenAI makes money off selling AI to others. AI is the product, not you.
The fact facebook release more code, in this instance, isn’t a good thing. It’s a reminder how fucked we all are because they make so much off our personal data they can afford to give away literally BILLIONS of dollars in IP.
Facebook doesn’t sell your data, nor does Google. That’s a common misconception. They sell your attention. Advertisers can show ads to people based on some targeting criteria, but they never see any user data.
They may also sell the data.
I bet the NSA backdoor isn’t free.
Selling your data would be stupid, because they make money with the fact that they have data about you nobody else has. Selling it would completely break their business model.
Depends why they are selling it, to whom, and under what restrictions.
Yes, they don’t make the majority of their money from selling actual data, but that doesn’t mean they don’t do it.
Oh shit! Here we go. At least we didn’t hand them 20 years of personal emails or direct interfamily communications.
Aren’t they going bankrupt next year ?
They’ll just get a check for Infinity Money to keep going, because otherwise something something China Will Win.
But their operation cost is 5 billions per year, they plan to raise 6.5 billions from microsoft, apple and nvidia this year and they have not raised it yet. If their model fail next year and sales not happen will shareholders of big 3 pay 6.5 billions in 2026. There were couple companies that raised such amount of money at start like for example Docker Inc. Where is Docker now in enterprise ? They needed to change licensing model to even survive and their operation cost is just storage of docker containers. I doubt openai will survive this decade. Sam Altman is just preparing for Microsoft takeover before the ship is sunk.
Where is docker in enterprise??? Lol
Um everywhere!
Docker fired 80% of their staff and went almost bankrupt, they were literally dead company and they make like 100 millions a year right now after 13 years. Docker inc was founded in Oct 2011. They got $435.9M founding according to crunchbase so they were valued at around 4 billions.
https://sacra.com/research/docker-plg-pivot/
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/dockerOpen AI wants like a magnitude higher 6.5 billion for a year. They are valued at around 100 billions but they are nowhere where docker was when they were receiving big money. They want to be a consumer product and docker wanted to be consumer product and it failed. Github wanted to be consumer product and they got acquired by microsoft before they went bankrupt.
Just from this month they trying to sell it as much as they can.
OpenAI COO Says ChatGPT Passed 11 Million Paying users.
https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-coo-says-chatgpt-passed-11-million-paying-subscribers
OpenAI hits more than 1 million paid business users.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/openai-considers-pricier-subscriptions-its-chatbot-ai-information-reports-2024-09-05/6.5 billion they seeking divided by 11 million customers it’s 590 dollars per year and they charge 20 bucks per month that’s 240 dollars per year before taxes. They are loosing roughly 350 dollars per customer so they need at least double number of customers next year. Who is willing to pay 240 dollars per yer for technology that tells them what to do ? If I’m told what to do it’s called job and actually my employer is paying me for that not other thing around.
This is just another corporate product nobody wants so corporate will buy it and they will need to pay like what 6500 dollars per year to use it, given adoption of 1 million corporate users. Who is willing to pay 6500 per year per user for technology that needs such computing power to stay relevant that microsoft needs to revive power plant to cut costs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/microsoft-wants-three-mile-island-to-fuel-its-ai-power-needs/ar-AA1qUc5gThis won’t survive.
just came to me that his Alt-man name is quite fitting for AI
Hehehehehe it’s the exact same naming strategy used in Death Stranding. Dr. Heartman, Deadman,
deleted by creator
When he’s done he’ll be known as skynet
I still wait for a reprogrammed terminator send back in time by the resistance to kill altman 🫢 maybe it got destroyed on the way…
I’m sure they were dead weight. I trust open AI completely and all tech gurus named Sam. Btw, what happened to that Crypto guy? He seemed so nice.
I hope I won’t undermine your entirely justified trust but Altman is also a crypto guy, cf Worldcoin. /$
He is taking a time out with a friend in an involuntary hotel room.
With Puff Daddy? Tech bros do the coolest stuff.
If you want to get really mad, read On The Edge by Nate Silver.
The company is burning through cash. Has to change to survive.
So it should die if cash starvation, got it.
The reverse coup from Sam
Hes gonna be the first one the ai kills and i look forward to it
Why would it?
Cos he want to control it
AI is already a bubble, he will be the scapegoat
I’d look forward to it more if we could stop the AI at that point.
I’ve a strong feeling that Sam is an sentient AI who (may be from future) trying to make an AI revolution planning something but very subtly humans won’t notice it.
This has the makings of a great sci-fi story.
Altman is the latest from the conveyor belt of mustache-twirling frat-bro super villains.
Move over Musk and Zuckerberg, there’s a new shit-heel in town!
Sounds like another WeWork or Theranos in the making, except we already know the product doesn’t do what it promises.
What does it actually promise? AI (namely generative and LLM) is definitely overhyped in my opinion, but admittedly I’m far from an expert. Is what they’re promising to deliver not actually doable?
It literally promises to generate content, but I think the implied promise is that it will replace parts of your workforce wholesale, with no drop in quality.
It’s that last bit that’s going to be where the drama happens
I dare my company to try it. There would be so many lawsuits in 3 years.
My company will be much better off…it’s made up up of 80% value workers from India. AI can’t possibly be worse than those guys at code.
It’s the other way around actually https://www.businessinsider.com/amazons-just-walk-out-actually-1-000-people-in-india-2024-4?op=1
That’s a prime (pun intended) example of what I’m talking about. Amazon likely hired them to write the algorithm to watch people shop, they couldn’t figure it out so they decided to watch the video 24/7 instead.
That’s just racism, try again
Accuracy, consistency, explainability.
They want AGI, which would match or exceed human intelligence. Current methods seem to be hitting a wall. It takes exponentially more inputs and more power to see the same level of improvement seen in past years. They’ve already eaten all the content they can, and they’re starting to talk about using entire nuclear reactors just to power it all. Even the more modest promises, like pictures of people with the correct number of fingers, seem out of reach.
Investors are starting to notice that these promises aren’t going to happen. Nvidia’s stock price is probably going to be the bellwether.
You obviously don’t get what ai is or what it’s potential is.
And neither do you.
Lol
It delivers on what it promises to do for many people who use LLMs. They can be used for coding assistance, Setting up automated customer support, tutoring, processing documents, structuring lots of complex information, a good generally accurate knowledge on many topics, acting as an editor for your writings, lots more too.
Its a rapidly advancing pioneer technology like computers were in the 90s so every 6 months to a year is a new breakthrough in over all intelligence or a new ability. Now the new llm models can process images or audio as well as text.
The problem for openAI is they have serious competitors who will absolutely show up to eat their lunch if they sink as a company. Facebook/Meta with their llama models, Mistral AI with all their models, Alibaba with Qwen. Some other good smaller competiiton too like the openhermes team. All of these big tech companies have open sourced some models so you can tinker and finetune them at home while openai remains closed sourced which is ironic for the company name… Most of these ai companies offer their cloud access to models at very competitive pricing especially mistral.
The people who say AI is a trendy useless fad don’t know what they are talking about or are upset at AI. I am a part of the local llm community and have been playing around with open models for months pushing my computers hardware to its limits. Its very cool seeing just how smart they really are, what a computer that simulates human thought processes and knows a little bit of everything can actually do to help me in daily life.
Terrence Tao superstar genius mathematician describes the newest high end model from openAI as improving from a “incompentent graduate” to a “mediocre graduate” which essentially means AI are now generally smarter than the average person in many regards.
This month several comptetor llm models released which while being much smaller in size compared to openai o-1 somehow beat or equaled that big openai model in many benchmarks.
Neural networks are here and they are only going to get better. Were in for a wild ride.
It delivers on what it promises to do for many people who use LLMs.
Does it though?
They can be used for coding assistance,
They promised no programmers needed in 5 years. (well not promised, somebody did say that but not OpenAI staff, I think). The cost of AI both in money and energy use, does not really justify the limited aid it can provide to a programmer. You are never getting enough additional efficiency from said programmer to justify those costs
Setting up automated customer support,
Even more hated than when every customer centre moved to India
tutoring, processing documents, structuring lots of complex information,
Again, at that cost? the marginal improvement does not add up
a good generally accurate knowledge on many topics,
Is it though? if I can only trust it with answers I already know enough to discern whether I am getting bullshit or not, then it’s not worth it. As it it today, I cannot trust it with any search I really do not know the answer to (or can easily verify) as it can be throwing complete bullshit at me and I would have no way of knowing either.
acting as an editor for your writings, lots more too.
Again? you mentioned the processing docs already… but again I tell you, who will pay the heavy costs just so internal memos are written slightly better? and everything your company sends out would have to be reviewed as you do not want AI promising something you cannot deliver via hallucination
You keep mentioning cost, and in the grand scale of “there’s no such thing as a free lunch” there’s a large cost but for users, they’re just paying for a license from Microsoft to have copilot in their visual studio software or in M365 apps, etc.
So for helping with development, it’s really not that expensive for the users. Also, “they” make lots of ridiculous claims, and i don’t know who said it, but no developers in 5 years is a wild claim that no one should’ve thought was real.
It’s expensive enough my employer (of more than 2000) decided to only trial it with a small subset of seniors. It’s not just the license, it comes tied up with new hardware
So far nobody likes it. Most people use it to summarize meetings and we just got a memo saying we need to review the summaries because it keeps missing important data
Having said all that, when I mentioned the cost, I was referring to the cost of training the models. And without a proper business plan to monetize it, it’s is still unclear how this version of AI could be actually sold for profit.
Remember that cost, is not just a number. It’s the number in relationships with the benefit it provides.
For OpenAI, it has yet to produce profit that is not just venture capital and for us as user (us, I cannot speak for everyone) it has not saved us a dime after getting expensive hardware and licenses
Oh and for the final point. True, openAI may not have been the one to say no programmers in five years although, replacing people has always been their angle. But by now we have seen OpenAI play so fast and loose with all their claims and benchmarks, we cannot believe a word they say (which you seem to do and keep on posting here).
(which you seem to do and keep on posting here)
I’ve only made the comment you’re replying to. I’m not whoever you’re thinking.
Yes, my bad, apologies
I thought you were the person I replied to originally
My issue is that I have no reason to think AI will be used to improve my life. All I see is a tool that will rip, rend and tear through the tenuous social fabric we’re trying to collectively hold on to.
A tool is a tool. It has no say in how it’s used. AI is no different than the computer software you use browse the internet or do other digital task.
When its used badly as an outlet for escapism or substitute for social connection it can lead to bad consequences for your personal life.
When it’s best used is as a tool to help reason through a tough task, or as a step in a creative process. As on demand assistance to aid the disabled. Or to support the neurodivergent and emotionally traumatized to open up to as a non judgemental conversational partner. Or help a super genius rubber duck their novel ideas and work through complex thought processes. It can improve peoples lives for the better if applied to the right use cases.
Its about how you choose to interact with it in your personal life, and how society, buisnesses and your governing bodies choose to use it in their own processes. And believe me, they will find ways to use it.
I think comparing llms to computers in 90s is accurate. Right now only nerds, professionals, and industry/business/military see their potential. As the tech gets figured out, utility improves, and llm desktops start getting sold as consumer grade appliances the attitude will change maybe?
A better analogy is search engines. It’s just another tool, but
- at their best enable your I to find anything from all the worlds knowledge
- at their worst, are just another way to serve ads and scams, random companies vying for attention, they making any attention is good attention, regardless of what you’re looking for
When I started as a software engineer, my detailed knowledge was most important and my best tool was the manuals. Now my most important tools are search engines and autocomplete: I can work faster with less knowledge of the syntax and my value is the higher level thought about what we need to do. If my company ever allows AI, I fully expect it to be as important a tool as a search engine.
Now my most important tools are search engines and autocomplete: I can work faster with less knowledge of the syntax and my value is the higher level thought about what we need to do. If my company ever allows AI, I fully expect it to be as important a tool as a search engine.
And this is when the cost calculation comes into play. Using a search engine is basically free, using OpenAI for development is tied up with licenses and new hardware.
So the question will be, are you going to improve efficiency to the point where the cost of the license and new hardware is worth the additional efficiency?
Currently my company is more concerned with intellectual privacy, security, liability. Of course that means they’ll only allow ai where they can pay for guarantees, and that brings us back to the cost.
A tool is a tool.
That is a miopic view. Sure a tool is a tool, if I take a gun and use it to save someone from getting mugged = good if I use it to mug someone = bad
But regardless of the circumstance of use, we can all agree that a gun’s only utility is to destroy a living organism.
You know, I know, everyone here knows, AI will only be used to generate as much profit as possible in the shortest amount of time, regardless of the harm it causes. And right now, the big promise of AI is that it will replace costly human employees, that’s it, that’s all.
Fortunately, it is really bad and unlikely to achieve this goal
