Authorities in Ohio say they will release body camera footage of a fatal police shooting of a pregnant Black woman.

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    1 year ago

    What does her race have to do with this case?

    It’s the only reason you believed the police before they released the video.

    I’ll save my outrage for cases like Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile, George Floyd.

    As though you don’t have excuses for why each of them had it coming too.

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      1 year ago

      It’s the only reason you believed the police before they released the video.

      No. I believed their easily verifiable description of the events.

      As though you don’t have excuses for why each of them had it coming too.

      I’m more pissed off about each of them than you are. Castile in particular.

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        No. I believed their easily verifiable description of the events.

        It wasn’t verifiable before they posted the video. In the absence of evidence, you believed the people who shot a black person.

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          I don’t think you understood my point. You seem to have missed an important difference in meaning between “verified” and “verifiable”.

          “Three angels can dance on the head of a pin” is not a verifiable statement. It can’t be proven true or false. “There are three cats in this bag” is readily verifiable, even if that fact has not yet been verified.

          Their claims were readily verifiable at the moment they made them; they were verified when the video was released.

          Knowing that the police would want to paint themselves in as positive light as possible, and knowing how bad they would look in getting caught making so blatant a lie, trusting their statement was not unreasonable.

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              1 year ago

              Not exactly true.

              The evidence I had was the specific nature of their claim. They claimed they would be showing me a video of a woman driving a car at an officer. That is a verifiable claim: if the video eventually shows something else, everyone observing it will immediately know that the initial claim was a bald-faced lie.

              Contrast with a non-verifiable claim, such as “the officer felt endangered”. That isn’t something that can be definitively proven. The officer may have felt endangered. The officer may have felt perfectly safe and is simply lying to portray themselves in a better light.

              Where the only “proof” of their claim is the claim itself, and they have a motivation to lie about it, we cannot trust them to speak the truth. But, where the “proof” of their claim is an objectively verifiable fact that will soon come to light, there is little reason not to trust it: they would immediately destroy their credibility to lie about a verifiable fact.

              The evidence I had was their readily verifiable claim. A specific, objective fact, easily demonstrated if true, and easily refuted if false. I trusted that they weren’t so fucking stupid as to lie about an objective fact. Turns out that they were, indeed, telling the truth in that specific case. That doesn’t mean they are telling the complete, unvarnished truth about everything. They could be lying about everything I can’t verify. But I don’t need their non-verifiable claims; the verifiable ones exonerate the officers.

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                1 year ago

                The evidence I had was their readily verifiable claim.

                The evidence you had was a cop said it.

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                  Huh. And it turns out they weren’t lying.

                  Just out of cutiousity, who is telling you that the cops are always lying? Are you going to believe that person in the future, now that you have clear, compelling evidence that cops don’t always lie?

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                    1 year ago

                    Just out of cutiousity, who is telling you that the cops are always lying?

                    I don’t believe cops until I have proof. You believe them immediately.