• freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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    29 days ago

    95% approval rating of the government over 15 years (studied and reported by Harvard)

    Multiple autonomous zones wherein a non-Han culture controls major aspects of society including religion, language, social norms, etc. Children are educated in their native tongues and official business is conducted in those languages. Compare this to language and religious erasure in the USA and Canada.

    The protests in Hong Kong were violent… That is to say the protestors were throwing fire bombs at the police, but the police allowed the protests to rage for weeks and did not violently repress them. Compare this with the decades of police riots in the USA most recently the protests against racially-motivated extrajudicial killings by the police.

    Greater home ownership rates in China than the USA or Canada. Lower homelessness rates in China than USA or Canada. Lower death rates from COVID in China.

    The human rights to food, shelter, health, a government that responds to the needs of the people - all of these are better in China.

    Child separation of immigrant families and use of solitary confinement on immigrants, including infants which causes permanent brain damage.

    Apartheid and ghettoization domestically and support for apartheid and ghettoization globally.

    That doesn’t even get into the military. China lacks all of these, but they feature heavily in the USA:

    • CIA black sites in foreign countries used to torture and experiment on humans in violation of domestic and international law. They are in foreign countries to create legal ambiguities
    • material support for multiple genocides including domestic genocides
    • training death squads that murder entire families of indigenous and left-wing citizens throughout an entire continent
    • unilaterally pulling out of nuclear treaties
    • refusing to sign treaties against use of land mines
    • nuking 2 civilian populations
    • invading multiple sovereign nations and destroying all of their civilian infrastructure including power, water, and medical
    • embargoing and sanctioning dozens of countries with the explicit purpose of causing pain to civilians in hopes that they will rise up and overthrow their government (collective punishment)
    • use of chemical warfare on millions
    • spending enough money on weapons of war that the money could easily solve multiple systemic human problems including hunger, disease, homelessness, mental health epidemics, etc.

    The USA has an absolutely abysmal human rights record compared to China.

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      29 days ago

      this. the west is not all chrome and shiny (heh), it jsut oursources its violence to its poorer lackeys.

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      29 days ago

      but the police allowed the protests to rage for weeks and did not violently repress them.

      The HK cops absolutely were violent, it was just unfathomably better controlled than American cops, because they didn’t kill a single person despite the huge scale of the protests and reasonably long time period. Literally the only living being who I have heard about their actions killing was a cat that got caught in teargas (whose owner brought it to the protests like a moron). Meanwhile the HK protestors, in a deliberate and targeted manner, immolated a civilian for aiding the police (I think he opened a gate for them or something), along with abuses that were less serious, like beating up the odd pro-mainland HK civilian or less-targeted, like when they negligently bricked that old man and he died.

      Edit: I hope that’s not just an incomprehensible pile of anecdotes.

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      28 days ago

      people always compare Chinas percent of people who speak their native tongue to genocidal states like amerikkka and canada but honestly it compares very favorably to european countries too where minorities sometimes massive ones like the occitanians in france have experience a slow cultural genocide and most people seem not to care.