Majority of Israel support what their government is doing in Gaza. This won’t end just because a foreign power decides to enforce a ceasefire and maybe some kind of simple recognition of Palestinian statehood. There’s way too much bad blood, and most of it is on Israel’s hands. If this happens we’ll have a middle eastern version of North and South Korea. And given how the US backs Israel unconditionally, it’s only a matter of time before they re-attempt their settlement of all of Palestine. Because who’s going to stop them?
No, but I did explain why a major shift in Israel’s dynamic is required for any kind of meaningful peace. Just like countires like Canada or America did with its First Nations population as means of mending relations given how many horrific things hey did. I never said anything about genocide, all I said that a lot of land should be given back and if people don’t like to live in a Palestinian state then they should leave. Nowhere did I say anything about any kind of concentration camps or anything of the sort.
A bullshit empty platitude of a two-state solution made by the leader of a nation on the other side of the world that is clearly meant to appease both sides of a conflict while wholeheartedly arming and supporting one is not a a solution at all.
I know what I said and I know what I didn’t say. I said Israel can give the land back to Palestinians and make concessions to begin mending the relations. I did not say 10 million people should be displaced. I did not say the people leaving should be put into concentration camps or anything of the sort. I even gave you a historical example where a colony ended up giving land back and there were no such mentions of genocide or concentration camps.
You want to disagree with me then fine. But don’t put words in my mouth and label me as a Troll just because you don’t like what I said.
Articulating every single response to make sure there is no confusion from random people from all over the world is not a reasonable expectation. It should have been obvious I was giving a simple basic answer in response to a basic question.
Challenging my views and expecting me to better explain it is something that is appropriate. Insisting your pre-drawn conclusions was correct after I repeatedly explained myself and then calling me troll was not appropriate.
And no once again I don’t advocate for forced settlements, concentration camps, or whatever inhumane accusation you want to throw at me. I said Israel needs to make serious concessions by way of giving a lot of land back. What the political way to achieve this is something you and I can go back and forth for a long time but is ultimately a moot point given the current political climate.
Have you read any of the works of Ilan Pappe or Avi Schlaim on a One-State Solution? If not I think you’d benefit from their findings and perspectives.
While Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism, I don’t consider it fundamental to Israelis. A One-State Solution where Israelis and Palestinians have equal rights is possible if not inevitable considering the settlements in the West Bank.
I do agree that unconditional US support of Israel and Zionism is the main problem preventing any semblance of peace. A Regime Change is necessary.
Majority of Israel support what their government is doing in Gaza. This won’t end just because a foreign power decides to enforce a ceasefire and maybe some kind of simple recognition of Palestinian statehood. There’s way too much bad blood, and most of it is on Israel’s hands. If this happens we’ll have a middle eastern version of North and South Korea. And given how the US backs Israel unconditionally, it’s only a matter of time before they re-attempt their settlement of all of Palestine. Because who’s going to stop them?
You didn’t address a thing that I just said.
No, but I did explain why a major shift in Israel’s dynamic is required for any kind of meaningful peace. Just like countires like Canada or America did with its First Nations population as means of mending relations given how many horrific things hey did. I never said anything about genocide, all I said that a lot of land should be given back and if people don’t like to live in a Palestinian state then they should leave. Nowhere did I say anything about any kind of concentration camps or anything of the sort.
A bullshit empty platitude of a two-state solution made by the leader of a nation on the other side of the world that is clearly meant to appease both sides of a conflict while wholeheartedly arming and supporting one is not a a solution at all.
Yes, I know what you did do. It’s about what you didn’t do.
I am not a random soapbox for your political points. If you can’t address what I said, you’re essentially just trolling.
I know what I said and I know what I didn’t say. I said Israel can give the land back to Palestinians and make concessions to begin mending the relations. I did not say 10 million people should be displaced. I did not say the people leaving should be put into concentration camps or anything of the sort. I even gave you a historical example where a colony ended up giving land back and there were no such mentions of genocide or concentration camps.
You want to disagree with me then fine. But don’t put words in my mouth and label me as a Troll just because you don’t like what I said.
This you?
Because that sure sounds like deporting 10 million people to me. Which, again, would require concentration camps whether or not you would want it to.
No that’s me responding bluntly to an equally blunt and binary question. You just made your own assumptions and conclusions from it.
If you don’t want people to do that, be clearer. It’s not my job to make you understood.
So you wouldn’t “settle for” 10 million people being forcibly deported? You concede that would be an extremely unethical and immoral thing to attempt?
Articulating every single response to make sure there is no confusion from random people from all over the world is not a reasonable expectation. It should have been obvious I was giving a simple basic answer in response to a basic question.
Challenging my views and expecting me to better explain it is something that is appropriate. Insisting your pre-drawn conclusions was correct after I repeatedly explained myself and then calling me troll was not appropriate.
And no once again I don’t advocate for forced settlements, concentration camps, or whatever inhumane accusation you want to throw at me. I said Israel needs to make serious concessions by way of giving a lot of land back. What the political way to achieve this is something you and I can go back and forth for a long time but is ultimately a moot point given the current political climate.
Have you read any of the works of Ilan Pappe or Avi Schlaim on a One-State Solution? If not I think you’d benefit from their findings and perspectives.
While Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism, I don’t consider it fundamental to Israelis. A One-State Solution where Israelis and Palestinians have equal rights is possible if not inevitable considering the settlements in the West Bank.
I do agree that unconditional US support of Israel and Zionism is the main problem preventing any semblance of peace. A Regime Change is necessary.
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
I have not, no. I’ll save your comment and see if I can get to reading it sometime in the future. Thank you for the suggestions.