• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    We literally can’t get one tho…

    Harris has said she thinks Biden is handling Israel fine and she wouldn’t do anything different.

    Biden is ignoring evidence Israel is using US weapons in war crimes which is in violation of the Leahy law.

    So sure, we all need a US president who respects evidence, but we won’t get one for at least 4 years, and if Kamala wins I see no reason the DNC would let us have a primary.

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      2 months ago

      Anyone still sprouting this line hasn’t listened to a single thing actual progressives and defenders of Palestine have said in recent weeks.

      Harris’s position is bad but voting for anyone else is so much worse right now. Bernie Sanders is correct, as usual.

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        2 months ago

        Harris’s position is bad but voting for anyone else is so much worse right now

        No one is saying anything different…

        But someone can hold their nose while still admitting a candidates shortcomings and pushing for them to follow US law is a pretty low fucking bar.

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          The problem is if you tell people they’re holding their noses to vote, they might just decide they can’t be bothered getting out there on the day.

          …which given there’s no clue what Trump has planned to sabotage the count, the numbers, and where - could happen anywhere.

          There are no safe seats this election, there are no safe states, no red states, no blue states, every vote from a real person makes it harder to deny the outcome. So until it’s over: let’s all agree to encourage people to vote!

          You’re not holding your nose, you’re making a stand for something you believe is vitaly important to your future.

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            2 months ago

            You’re not holding your nose, you’re making a stand for something you believe is vitaly important to your future.

            It can be both…

            Stopping fascism would be easier if we didn’t need people to hold their nose, but reality is reality

            Denying it won’t change it.

            We need people to hold their noses. And saying that what we need is a bar that Kamala can’t clear is what you should be complaining about. But youre not mad at the headline…

            The people we need to hold their noses, are already aware of what my first comment said.

            If you want their vote, then you need to convince them in a way that works.

            That doesn’t include lying and getting mad at people for stating facts. It’s stating that Kamala needs to be better and we (as a party) will keep pulling her left instead of just accepting her flaws and never asking for more.