I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I’m an idiot.

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      Well for Decades the Irealies have both been genociding the Palistinians, and have been on a long push to try to conflait zionism, an origionaly anti-symetic idea in eurpope, that was even embraced by the Nazis, and quinticentialy jewish, so they could use anti-semitism to shield themselvs.

      The good guys are the palistinians who where there before anyone else got there, and have been being genocided agian for decades on end, and are being genocided now.

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          Arabs have been murdering Arabs for hundreds of years. To say Israel started it is not only wrong but spreading misinformation.

          “Israel” was internationally recognized as established in the 1940s based on a European movement from the 1800s to create a settler-colonial ethnostate. Israel did start it, it is an occupying force that displaced Palestinians from their lands in living memory, implemented violent apartheid conditions, and is currently doing a genocide.

          Your “Arabs just kill each other this isn’t different” is frankly just relying on racism to avoid actually addressing the real history.

          Who started it is pointless at this point

          No, it is very much an important point as it happened in recent history via occupation, terrorism, and forced immigration by European settlers backed by the British empire and then the US empire. You must ignore this in order to share the positions that you have.

          but this anti Palestine sentiment from Israelis has been brewing for decades. For some context look up Arab-Israeli war of 1948

          Anti-Palestinian sentiment has been a core part of the Zionist project since its inception. 1948 is when the largest expulsions happened, the war was a response to this occupation and aggression.

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          10 kids born 2 killed guess what population still grew by 8

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        I thought the Jewish heritage and population had been there just as long but were purged out from the area. And as part of the WWII agreements, land was set aside for them to reclaim what was theirs many centuries ago.

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          Palistinian Jews exist, and where not perged, the religion spread as religions do, after WW1 the area was given to the united kingdom, and after ww2 the UK and UN without concent of the Palistinians opened it up to (eruopean) jewish settlement. The issue is that they are not from the area, nor have any claim beyond zionism to the region

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          the Jewish diaspora started during the Roman period. dring any Muslim control of the land the Jewish people were more or less welcomed and had a good life there.