He’s scheduled a ball busting public ball kicking as punishment. He takes full accountability.
I mean the other option would have been to keep these staff and leverage them to drive innovative solutions with your product or possibly close open feature requests and bug submissions. I mean, these 500 people could have worked towards new initiatives to grow the business as they are keenly aware of the drop box business already and would be able to execute quickly on new initiatives. There are so many interesting places that drop box could expand into and they are instead choosing to layoff staff that could get them there.
As usual, it’s only ever about maximizing shareholder value in the short term.
I went through a round of layoffs at my last company. They laid off around 15% and then went hiring, people who just had their teams cut in half and their workload doubled and had to say goodbye to colleagues with years of experience were then told to do 3-4 interviews a week to hire new talent.
It was all just a yank of the choke chain. Management wanted labor to know that they could replace you. Our most senior people burned out and I left after staying longer than I really should have to try to help out my teammates.
Layoffs like this are about obedience and control and showing the investors that you are willing to break people to return them a healthy profit.
I dunno, maybe its time for Dropbox to just slowly decline and eventually exit? I don’t see what they could possibly pivot into that isnt already covered by Google, Microsoft, Proton, etc. They had years of first mover advantage they could have pivoted off, but thats long behind them.
That said, if thats their plan, then the C suite needs to have their pay cut to the bone as well. CEOs get the big bucks because they make the big decisions to grow the company. If they arent growing, they should be the first cut.
Okay, then you be the sole worker then if you want this ‘responsibility’. See how far you get.
I wish someone would keep a list of all the companies that have laid employees off in the last few years, so we can keep tabs on who to not give our business to.
Would be easier to keep a list of those that didn’t.
Well, if dropbox can exist without those 500 employees, then it’s logical. You don’t judge success of a business by how many people it employs
The problem is that we judge its success by how much the wealthiest people bet on its success in a glorified casino instead of anything else, like its positive impact on society.
A plane can continue to fly without a pilot. The problem is not “continuing to exist”, but continued success or a spectacular crash.
Also, I’d bet on Dropbox being able to function quite well without its CEO.
Sure, if the CEO is replaced by someone else who can manage the company, sure. But you cannot generally expect people to manage themselves. That’s why communism never worked and never will.
Also, what is according to you a glorified casino?
Your comment does not make sense. In communist countries, companies still have CEOs, they just don’t have private shareholders, they are owned by the state. Not that I care about that.
And what I call a casino is the NYSE, when stocks offering no dividends are pumped to the stratosphere, with purely speculative buys.
You could argue that you can judge their success based on the ratio of employees they used to employ versus how many they employ now.
So if I have a small computer repair store and want to make it more successful, I should employ at least million people, so the ratio goes up?
Do you honestly think that’s a comparable analogy?
How about if you have a small computer repair store that employed 20 people last year, but due to the owner’s poor analogy game scaring off the customers, you only need 5 employees to fill all the available work this year? Would you say the employee count is an indicator of the health of the business?
The employees are more important than the boss. So yeah, I do count those jobs and feel it means something significant. Also, what does “logical” even mean to you? If the boss cut his own pay, he could have kept the employees. That’s just as logical, isn’t it? So you’re not talking about logic, are you.
If you want to talk about values, let’s do it. Please explain why multi millionaires (and richer) matter more than everyone else. Please.
Company is not a charity. There is a difference.
Suppose that dropbox employs twice as many people as other cloud providers. Would you be willing to pay them the twice amount for the same product the competition offers just because they employ more people?
You know, we live in the world of competition where you need to be ahead your rivals, otherwise your company fails (and all employees lose their jobs). So cutting costs where it’s possible makes perfect sense, especially if the employees can be replaced by computers or sth.
He gotta protect his bonus
But, he hasn’t taken any responsibility for the years of scamming new customers with bait and switch schemes. They haven’t even changed their deceptive sales tactics. They are still a shitty, deceptive mega-corp that thrives on theft and lies.
If you are looking for an alternative to a mega-corp for secure, sharable online storage, I have used sync.com for a few years now and am very happy with them.
Funny story, those guys lost ALL my data a few years ago.
These services are so sketchy. Google Drive was telling me everything was synced for months, yet was syncing nothing. I was on a paid plan. There was no customer support. I think I tried everyone at some point. They all suck. Sync hasn’t fucked me over yet, but I will not be surprised when it happens.
It’s more effort ofc, but host your own solution via a nas or something. I have all my shit on one at home, syncing to devices and offering access over the internet, and I know that my shit is safe because I know what the fuck I’m doing, and strangely I’m not trying to fuck myself out of a monthly subscription or something. Never worry about getting flagged by some bot and getting my account purged. Very, very slim chance of a data breach, since the system auto-updates and is secured behind passwords, mfa, permissions on each user. It’s my data, under my control, doing what I want and nothing else. And it’s freaking fantastic.
I’m sold, but I looked into this for months and discovered that I am simply not technically competent enough to pull it off. You really need to know wtf you are doing to accomplish this IMO. Do you recommend a software or method for half-dummies that suck at networking and are useless at programming?
So I have an off-the-shelf nas from synology; while I have two additional servers (ThinkServer, VPS) that are barebones running Debian/proxmox, I haven’t moved away from the synology box because it’s so… not “easy” but it’s like bowling with the gutter guards in place. For example, if you tell the firewall “hey, block everything” it will try, fail to connect to the browser you are using, revert, and tell you. It has a nice web UI that is similar to a standard OS UI. It let’s you learn and try stuff, and when things go sideways it’s not an evening of combing through forums and pages of documentation. I can, I have, done the ‘from the ground up’ on the other two systems, but for the syno: why would I build my own box, redo effort - more effort - to get to the same outcome currently? So I will hold onto it until EoL, whenever that will be.
Not to sound like an advertisement, but it does file sharing pretty easily ootb, and you can either set up a DDNS with a subdomain of your choosing, and a list of domains owned by synology (for newbies), or you can use that DDNS system + hook it up your own domain, like MyWebsiteWhatever[.]org. Either way, you can then access your files via a browser, software for win/mac/linux, or from their mobile apps. I also use their photo solution, and have my family pics backed up straight from their phones. Every quarter I make sure that they haven’t been logged out (system update / reboots seem to jostle things) and all is well. They have a system for calendar/tasks, as well as for contacts, but I personally have moved away to a direct “radicale” (software name) system, which I think is what synology uses at its core for cal/task/contacts, just adding their gui. Anything else (for my situation) gets a docker container, and this is how I learned about containers. They seem like a black box, but they are absolutely fantastic. Again, great for learning in a controlled environment.
The whole system is very hand-holding, a bit too much so at times. But coming from a “I’m a geek who wants to learn ‘proper’ network sharing, and this seems to be a nice solution”, after researching a few popular options, I think I did well. If you can setup things like a static IP in your router, if you can port forward, and if you’re willing to shell out the initial cost for the system (which is overpriced, honestly, but you’re paying for the simplicity) and hard drives… you should try it. It’s not as scary as it looks. Shoot, if you want more details I can dive in and explain specific stuff, examples, screenshots. Though maybe over DMs so I don’t flood the post with unrelated stuff :p
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The dropbox guys or the sync guys?
Sync.
“Full accountability”, as in, they’re still fired, he still have his big paycheck and assorted bonuses, and the more general “fuck them” attitude will remain.
That’s not accountability, that’s shitting on people and smiling about it.
It’s like a YouTuber apology. “Oh I done fucked up, I am so sowwy” while sitting on a cozy couch in a multi-million-dollar home
That is the opposite of taking accountability though…?
Yes, but only if you don’t speak C-Suite.
That’s not how accountability works…
Accountability would be lowering your own pay in order to keep your workers and admit you did this because others shouldn’t have to suffer for your mistakes.
That seems kind of harsh. I’d totally accept falling on his own sword, maybe seppuku.
yes, this is more like that little hand wave that tennis players do to acknowledge a lucky point “sorry mate, your job is gone… moving on”
I’m sorry, but I don’t think you have what it takes to be a CEO
No matter! He said the thing so he’s absolved, that’s just CEO rules ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So if he’s taking full accountability, who’s the new CEO of Dropbox? /s
Dumbass.More and more I’m appreciating my decision to selfhost Nextcloud when I decided to start moving away from Google. All nonsense like this affects for me personally (should Dropbox crash and burn) is some redundant backups.
But, no, I’m keeping my bonus.
CEO Drew Houston will remain in his job.
So not full accountability.
It’s the sentiment that counts.
“full accountability” means moving those 500 workers’ salaries into his paycheck.
How very noble of him.
Don’t forget the bonus for cutting costs!
“I declare accountability!”
think they mean he took the full accounts
