Summary

Following Donald Trump’s recent election victory, Google searches for “4B,” a South Korean feminist movement advocating a “no sex, no dating, no marriage, no children” stance, surged in the U.S.

The 4B movement, popular among young women on social media, promotes individual resistance against conservative politics and the erosion of reproductive rights.

The trend reflects a broader ideological divide between young men and women in the U.S., where women under 30 are significantly more liberal than men.

  • Tedesche@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    OR…you could just have sex and start families with men who support women’s rights?

    I have a feeling this extremist “solution” is just disguised misandry from a bunch of extremist feminists.

    Ah well, thanks for selecting yourselves out of the gene pool, I guess?

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      This ironically helps the right wing cause lol. Right wing men have sex anyway with right wing women, who are not interested in the 4b movement (and there are quite a lot of those, judging by how many voted for trump), so basically this ensure that the majority of future children’s will grow up in a right wing family/environment

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      It has been idiocracy for a long time now. I doubt this will make a dent in the diluted gene pool.

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    Typical media BS.

    Found a story about a very small movement somewhere in the world than are blowing it out of proportion and saying this is actually a thing.

    This is why Dems lost the election but the media thought they would win.

    Fucking click bait sex sells story.

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    They haven’t figured out that Conservatives see this as a huge win? No liberal babies…

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    I call bullshit. Any politicaly aware liberal/progressive woman can sniff out a conservative dude 5 miles away. They ain’t fucking these kinda dudes unless they actually wanna be fucking them. I just don’t see it

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      Yep, it also doesn’t consider the 46% of women that voted for Trump or the near 50 million women that couldn’t be bothered to vote at all.

      This is a minority movement that is probably not much more than ineffective virtue signalling.

      If you’re wife doesn’t want sex then that’s usually a big problem for the relationship and could even end it. How many guys are going in to the ballot box in four years time and voting differently because they decided to get a divorce? It could possibly even entrench their views.

      I’m probably going to get bored of saying this, but people that disagree with you need to be engaged not derided.

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    But the large swatch of incel’s that voted for Trump aren’t going to be affect by this.

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      I’m not being facetious, but how many countries that were part of the Arab spring are now not effectively Islamic dictatorships?

      It was a great thing at the time but it seems to me to have not paid off.

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        I mean it’s a tale as old as time. Surviving and opposing strongmen dictatorship selects for the most adherent and extreme. Thus when the dictatorship falls for whatever reason the crazy extremists are usually in the best position.

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    Understandable.

    But sweaering of ALL men is neither healthy nor realistic and the 4B movement is not really helping the issue. Plua the movement is extremely transphobic and essentialist. Its just TERFs doing a thing again…

    A more practical solution: Dont date MAGA and leave them if need be. Take the children from them as well. They deserve scorn for voting in a dictator, just because they cant get laid. And they deserve to be reminded on how parhetic they are for all of it every single das until they change.

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      Agreed. I also can understand the feelings behind this, but it seems to ignore that quite a number of women voted for Trump.

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        Bingo. My wife won’t vote for a woman president because she, not me, thinks that they’re too emotional. I know a decent amount of women in the workplace that feel the same way. I voted for Kamala because Trump is a paranoid narcissist that is a thief, liar, and can’t be trusted and she was a darn sight better to keep the boat moving predictably forward.

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          That’s rich. How could one ever think in this election that Kamala was the emotional one. She made one joke about his crowd size and he went completely off the rails.

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          Women are too emotional to be president? Shit man, maga and their current figurehead are fueled by extremely volatile emotion, no matter how much they crow about facts vs feelings. Rage is an emotion, and it’s what’s driven the movement for years before it even had a name. Citing emotionality as a reason not to elect a woman is just an excuse—a very poor one, at that—and everyone knows it.

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                Never said she voted for Trump. In fact, we don’t tell each other who we vote for. So yeah, try again. She’s typically strongly independent and really hates the two party system. RCV FTW.

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                  My wife won’t vote for a woman president because she, not me, thinks that they’re too emotional.

                  This is directly from the Right’s playbook. She’s a moronic fascist.

                  Talk to her, and teach her the error of her ways. If you continue to be an apologist for a fascist, you might as well give up and join their ranks.

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      The problem is that some men will literally tell a woman anything they want to hear until they’re in bed. They will lie their ass off and avoid political discussion until after the proposal, then they’ll suggest maybe she could cook a little more

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    Magats on the one way road to demographic suicide unless they learn to like gay sex and hope hard for some crazy evolution…

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      Are you saying women who support 4B used to date MAGAts? Seems like the women talking about 4B were already selective enough to only date liberals/leftists/etc.

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        Don’t mind me I’m pissy. But no I was saying Trump supporters will likely be the recipients of this treatment and other than changing course or learning to procreate in the absence of women will decline, in my dream anyway.

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          45% of women voters were for Trump. More young women voted for Trump in 2024 than in 2020. I don’t think this movement is going to affect Republicans at all.

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                Nonono no antagonizing felt. I don’t know why I thought that my last response had a jocular sarcastic self deprecating tone. People can’t read my mind, and I have a bad habit of being vague in my word choices at times.

                We Good!

                Edit also I need to chill myself rough day.

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                  No, your tone came across, I just started worrying about my own tone. And I think we all need to chill out. Stop looking at what’s happened in the past 10-20 years and start appreciating the progress we’ve made in the last 100, and thinking about how we’ll make the next step.

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    Ill believe it when I see it, half these women have the most conservative SO you’ve ever met and tells them they’re good people at the end of hard days. Also these particular women are transphobes, so fuck them.

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      Women also voted for trump.

      But Transphobes? Really? That’s where you draw the line? This is EXACTLY how the right pushed women to fight for their “identity” and turn against trans.

      If you generise them like that and try to diminish what biological woman is, you bet your ass someone will use it to turn those would would be your ally against you.

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    Man here, I fully agree with this.

    I have been hoping for something to bring down the birthrate of the states that restrict abortion since the restrictions started.

    I had been hoping for mass migration of 50% or so of all women from the relevant states, but I see how that can be difficult.

    I truly hope that they are successful in gaining their rights back.

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    I say good for them. Go for it. Dating is too stressful for me anyway.

    But I’m also a 30+ progressive with a son and ex so I also recognize that there are bigger fish to fry than getting laid.