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Summary
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former defense minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas officials, accusing them of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza and during the October 2023 attacks.
The court alleges actions like depriving Gaza civilians of essential resources.
Israel and the U.S., non-members of the ICC, reject the warrants, with Netanyahu calling them antisemitic.
Hamas also criticized the decision.
The practical enforcement of these warrants remains uncertain, as the ICC lacks authority to compel arrests.
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They’ve been preparing for this for a while. Months ago already I remember reading accusations of the ICC being antisemitic by Israelis and various sympathisers. The old fiddle that never stops playing.
It goes waaaay back
https://www.972mag.com/icc-israel-surveillance-investigation/
One thing, why are the Hamas officials never named, and we never get their reaction? I’d really like I to be able to despise both side of that shit medal evenly.
One thing, why are the Hamas officials never named
they are always named.
They’re in the article:
The court issued a warrant for Mohammed Deif, head of Hamas’ armed wing, over the Oct. 7, 2023, attacks that triggered Israel’s offensive in Gaza…Khan withdrew requests for warrants for two other senior Hamas figures, Yahya Sinwar and Ismail Haniyeh, who have both since been killed. Israel says it also killed Deif in an airstrike, but Hamas has never confirmed his death.
Hamas in a statement welcomed the warrants against Netanyahu and Gallant but made no mention of the one against Deif.
Thank you, I should have verified before commenting. It’s still the feeling I get, that Hamas leadership is way less named than Netanyahu. If at least in the headlines.
If I ever saw this yahoo and the other yahoo putin, I would shub this yahoo up putin’s arse. It’s a little unlikely but that’s the plan. And probably poke both thru with a cable, and I would give the cable a bunch of extra twists so they couldn’t get out.
Those warrants aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, but it’s still nice to see official bodies outside the US calling Netanyahu what he is.
Not really, if a group of spies got together and kidnapped him to a country that respects the ICC he would be arrested. Just like this
These warrants absolutely matter in terms of being a trumo card in several legal issues relating to EU-Israel relations.
It’s a nice thought. I won’t hold my breath expecting any real consequences for Israel, though.
The saddest thing is that if they do take action, it will be the lowest bar possible of accountability. They’ll for example ban products from illegal settlements and then let Israel redurect them anyways.
Those warrants are worth a lot. Not enough to put them behind bars, but still a lot!
Not exactly. The ratifying countries are bound by contract to arrest them. Plus It’s a serious issue not to do it, because this would delegitimize the ICC as an institution, which is not in the interest of most ratifying countries. So it essentially boils down to a choice between losing the court as a valuable weapon against war criminals or bad relations with Israel.
What happens after an arrest is another matter and I think that is where the real pressure would happen
“Bound by contract”, lol…
Are you familiar with Donald Trump?
The US isn’t part of the ICC because we commit too many war crimes.
‘‘How are you today?’’ ‘‘That’s an antisemitic question.’’
That’s what the constant cry wolf has lead to. The absurd has become real.
Finally
What do rank and file military realize they have to start refusing certain orders?
When do the Americans cut off the supply of certain weapons?
When does the Israeli populace see that a radically new direction is needed to secure peaceful relations “from the river to the sea”?
America won’t cut them off for at least 2 years.
America will never cut off the supply of weapons to Israel, as they are not only our most important ally in the Middle East, but also a key symbolic homeland for millions of Jewish Americans that happens to be under constant threat of attack and annihilation from multiple regional neighbors, including Iran.
People won’t like to hear this, but Bernie Sanders could have been president in 2023 and he still would have sold weapons to Israel in the wake of the October 7th massacre.
The best you can realistically hope for is weapons sent under preconditions.
Jewish Americans are at threat of anihilation by their regional neighbour Iran?
I’m not going to help you learn to read, man. I’m sorry. No offense.
our most important ally in the Middle East
Israel causes no end of problems in the region and has nonstop for 80 years. They are a tremendous burden to us for very little gain. They have not helped in any of our middle east efforts. One of their key tenets is no foreign troops on their soil. We dont even resupply our ships there. It was a major event in 2016 when we resupplied a single ship there and it hasnt repeated. We have no shared airstrip and no operational capability centered out of there. We have a single joint owned radar station with a dozen men in it in the negev.
American fighters were not even allowed to land in Israel when they were defending Israel from Iranian missiles. They operated out of Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/10/us-f-16s-arrive-middle-east-israel-prepares-iran-strike
Israel is flatly not an important ally, much less the most important ally. Lebanon was an ally. Jordan is an ally, as is Turkey. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Qatar are also key allies. The thing all our allies have in common is that they have a problem with Israel.
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Better late than never, for all the good it will do…
How’s that working out?
He wasn’t able to travel to Brazil for this reason. I’d say its working
The name of the game is sanctions. Russian can sustain itself under “nuclear” sanctions. Sanction Israel, and the comfortable lifestyle of illegal Lebensraum settlers will start to look rather unattractive.
ICC charges are directed at individuals, not entire countries. They wouldn’t justify sanctions for the same reason governments don’t sanction Saudi Arabia for being the home of bin Laden.
I couldn’t think of a more absurd analogy. If Osama Bin Laden was Saudi Arabia’s head of state, and 9/11 was carried out by the Saudi military, and Saudi was party to the Rome Statute, then maybe you make such an analogy. As it actually stands, Netanyahu’s crimes were carried out by the state of Israel and that certainly has legal bearing inside the EU’s courts, with very recent precedent - sanctions on Russia citing the ICC arrest warrant for Putin. And Russia is not even party to the Rome Statute - the state of Israel is, and would be violating by not giving Netanyahu up.
crimes were carried out by the state
The same is true of others facing ICC charges. For example, Hamas leaders face ICC charges, but that does not justify sanctions against Palestine.
sanctions on Russia citing the ICC arrest
Sanctions against Russia couldn’t cite the ICC charges, because they began long before Putin was charged by the ICC.
the state of Israel is
Like the US and Russia, Israel is not a party to the Rome Statute.
How would you sanction Gaza? It’s already blockaded and being starved to death.
Hamas leaders face ICC charges, but that does not justify sanctions against Palestine.
The EU does not recognize Hamas as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian Territories. It defines it as a non-state actor and a terror group, so what you said is also a terrible analogy. I don’t know why you keep using the word “justify”. Do you mean legally or morally? Sanctions would be targetted at specific individuals, firms and military/government components, not the state of Israel as such.
Sanctions against Russia couldn’t cite the ICC charges, because they began long before Putin was charged by the ICC.
Packages 11-14 were all issued after the ICC judgement. European Commission’s statements on the ICC warrant speak quite clearly about Russian culpability, not just Putin’s culpability.
I mean it’s done quite a lot to diplomatically isolate them, right? Putin couldn’t go to South Africa for BRICS, he couldn’t attend the G20 summit this week, and presumably lots of other trips he hasn’t done that he would have otherwise intended to
In Israel’s case, I expect this will be a pain for Netanyahu more than it has been for Putin, since the set of countries that are neither ICC signatories nor actively hostile to Israel is a pretty short list
He’ll still go back and forth to the US without issue I’d imagine.
It would be a shame if his plane had engine issues and was forced to land in an ICC country. Just a shame.
Yes indeed, sadly the US is not a signatory
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He’s really fucking up the antisemitic thing for the rest of us. The wolf crier isn’t a monolith and he’s diluting an important communication tool.
Anyone putting netanyahu and hamas in the same category, gets it.
It’s funny how the criminal immediatelly implied that it’s a Jewish characteristic to be a criminal like him, just like he and his minions (which includes the American Administration) have been continuously implying that commiting all manner of horrid crimes, from theft and rape all the way to Genocide and purposeful child mass murder, is a Jewish chacteristic.
Like the last bunch of Nazis, these people aren’t merelly immoral, they’re so depraved, disgusting and devoid of even the most basic humanity that they’ll slander millions of those they claim to defend in order to avoid the consequences of acting like the most extreme and out of control psychopath (far beyond mere Serial Murderer and well into Hitler-level).
Exactly. Israel’s actions is Palestine make Jews everywhere less safe.
ICC:
“We acknowledge that Hamas’ attacks against civilians are crimes too.”Netanyahu and Hamas in unison:
“What do you mean, ‘crimes too’?”Meanwhile, the slaughter goes on because nobody wants to risk open conflict with the US and they* have a raging hard-on for genocidal imperialism.
*Not all of them, of course, but enough are either complicit or at least complacent that it remains a tenable political position.
Its the one silver lining about trump–he’ll destroy US economic, military and political power and in doing that remove the zionists shield from consequences.
It’s about fucking time! This should’ve happened much earlier.
Anf of course Netanyahu is hiding behind the discrimination card.
The US and others were fine with it when they issued a warrant for Putin, I’m sure they’ll be on board for this as well, right?
This makes us look weak and hypocritical to the rest of the world. Stop the unjust war of aggression and annexation! No wait, I meant the other one. This one is a-OK.
This is part of the collapse of American soft power around the world.
One thing that many people in America have already learned the hard way, is that conservative Americans could not care less about being hypocritical. In fact, I’m convinced that some see it as a plus because while it means nothing to them, it always seems to “trigger the libs”.
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I’m sure if the US could have vetoed the warrant, they would have.
