cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/17300245
Donald Trump’s angry threat to impose 25 percent tariffs on all U.S. imports from Mexico—delivered Monday via the cautious diplomatic language of a Truth Social rant—is widely being depicted as a bluff. Trump declared that once in the White House, he will impose the tariffs unless Mexico stops migrants and fentanyl from “pouring” into the United States. Seen as a feint, the tactic could theoretically get Mexico to halt the migrant flow, allowing Trump to pull back on tariffs later while boasting that on the border, he has already bent Mexico to his will.
But amid all this parsing of Trump’s intentions, a crucial fact about his new move is getting lost: At the center of it is a lie. This lie is hiding in plain sight: It’s the underlying suggestion that Mexico is not doing anything to stop migrants from coming and that Trump’s threat of tariffs is needed to change that. Here we’re getting an early glimpse of how he will deceive voters about some of his most potentially destructive designs, on tariffs and immigration alike.
All this is laid bare by the sharp response to Trump’s threat that new Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum issued Tuesday. Her statement is getting attention for its barbed claim that American guns trafficked to Mexico are fueling crime and violence there among gangs supplying U.S. markets with drugs. “Tragically, it is in our country that lives are lost to the violence resulting from meeting the drug demand in yours,” Sheinbaum noted acidly, suggesting that the two countries’ interrelated national challenges underscore the need for cross-border cooperation rather than Trumpian confrontation.
That’s a harsh indictment of Trump’s whole worldview.
If you dont know the cartels are fueled by America’s insatiable drug habits then you dont have even 1/4th of the knowledge required to speak about the subject. You can’t stem the power of cartels without quelling America’s appetite for drugs or saying fuck it and allowing them to be produced in house (and at this rate fuck it might as well buy some Johnson & Johnsons crack)
I wouldn’t trust J&J to make your crack. Their talcum powder still causes cancer.
Unlike that hand-crafted, artisanal crack made by your local Pyrex scholars!
They use only the most premium baking soda available.
You don’t even have to be specific about the US. This is the same all over the world. Illegal drugs fuel violence all around the world from csrtells. It doesn’t matter if its Mexican cartels or if its the Dutch Mafia smuggling shrooms and weed or the Columbian Mafia producing kokaine. Its always the same.
Careful, ese, la chingona don’t play!
It’s also a lie that migrants are flooding across the border with fentanyl.
I hear they’re bringing clothes. Can you believe it? Bags and bags of personal belongings? Sinister.
Right, why use migrants when you could use trucks filled with legitimate goods or American citizens which are much more likely to reach their destination?
You don’t even need big trucks. You can fit enough fentanyl on your body to make it worth smuggling. And most of the smugglers are Americans because they’re far less likely to be searched.
It’s a nuanced and information heavy piece. Great for reading and thinking. So the average maga supporter will never attempt to read let alone comprehend.
So the average
maga supporterAmerican will never attempt to read let alone comprehend.FTFY
Don’t underestimate the mindless stupidity of the majority of Americans.
No that’s a lazy and shitty take with no thought behind it. It’s even simpler than that.
For many Americans they simply don’t have the time to read about it. Between worrying about everything else in their daily lives, living paycheck to paycheck, even working multiple jobs to get by. Many Americans barely have enough time after getting off work and commuting home, helping their kids with homework, having dinner, or otherwise winding down a tiny bit after work, to maybe watch an hour of local news before going to bed and doing it all over again the next day.
If you’re worried about making ends meet every day of your life, you’re not paying much attention to politics beyond the little bit you get talking to people you know, or that 30-60 minutes of local news. It’s simply a lower priority than surviving and not losing your home or car which you need to get to work.
All you’re doing is making excuses for people. If your life is shitty and you simply accept that and don’t look to what might be the cause of your life being shitty, in this case being that our conservative controlled government supporting oligarchs and corporate monoliths over working class Americans, then you are absolutely 100% fucking stupid if you don’t take the time to find out and understand what the fuck is wrong.
I have no sympathy for the people who voted for Trump and are crying now because they didn’t take the time to find out who it was and they were voting for and what it is he actually stands for. Not just what he says he stands for. And make no mistake, a huge portion of the people who voted for Trump were not MAGA people, they were just regular Republicans voting the way they always have.
P.S. I also have no sympathy for people who didn’t bother to vote at all and are complaining because Trump is going to be president and make their lives harder. Seriously fuck you if you didn’t bother to get out and vote.
That’s a lot of text to say you are completely missing the fucking point and to vent to people here that honestly don’t give a shit about your opinion of others.
All you’re doing is making excuses for people.
It’s not an excuse, it’s a real world explanation for why this happens. For someone struggling to survive every day, politics is a much lower priority than keeping food on the table and a roof over their head every day. You’re immediately going to the same place as the Republicans, dehumanizing a group of individuals because you’re either incapable or unwilling to of consider their perspective. Lots of “they’re taking our jobs” energy from you in that post.
The only way I can think that you can’t even consider this position is because you’ve lived your entire live in a position of privilege in comparison. You’ve never had to worry about losing your home, or not having enough food to feed your family even with a full time job, or even multiple jobs. Your lack of willingness to even consider this point of view and instead immediately demonize a large section of the country shows a lot about your character, whether you’re willing to admit it or not. That is not the way to fix our problems. We need to recognize the root causes of WHY people don’t vote, or directly vote against their interests, and work to fix those.
There ARE people that voted for Trump specifically because he’s a shitty human being, just like they are… statistically there HAS to be. But that’s not going to be the majority. The majority are instead going to be the ones that don’t have the time to research, don’t have the education to critically evaluate situations, and the ones that take the various media propaganda and sane-washing of candidates as fact because it’s coming from a “news” outlet. The majority of those people are a lot more nuanced than you are willing to admit, because that’s harder to deal with instead of your simple explanation. Simple explanations about a group are what the Republicans do to create their coalition of single issue voters and their black and white view of the world.
The majority are instead going to be the ones that don’t have the time to research, don’t have the education to critically evaluate situations, and the ones that take the various media propaganda and sane-washing of candidates as fact because it’s coming from a “news” outlet.
Yeah, these are exactly the people I have a problem with. They are all trash and I hope they feel absolutely fucked with voter’s remorse in the next few years as Trump takes away all the systems and governmental services they take for granted.
The majority of those people are a lot more nuanced than you are willing to admit, because that’s harder to deal with instead of your simple explanation.
They really aren’t. They are just lazy and very very stupid.
So yeah it is all one giant excuse. You’re trying to excuse their stupidity and lack of engagement by giving them some kind of noble self-involvement which is just fucking stupid in and of itself. So please, step off your bloody soap box and ditch the rose colored glasses and have a look at the real world where the majority of the electorate is completely devoid of intelligence at all and should probably be barred from voting because they are incapable of critical thought and the ability to understand the basics of how government works.
I see. You’re just a spiteful person and still unwilling to consider a different perspective than your own. Exactly like the die hard Trump supporters. The ones that actively picked Trump because of his policies hurting people. You should reflect on that fact you’ve made so plain in these comments.
Oh no! You said the magic thing. I’m just like the racist homophobic selfish assholes who actively campaigned for a narcissistic megalomaniac who will do or say anything to gain power. I feel so regretful for passing judgment on the millions of morons who were duped into believing his lies because they are too stupid to spend half a nanosecond to read and comprehend how full of shit he is. It turns out I’m the bad guy. “sadface emoji”
Yep, we’re overworked, overstressed, underpaid, don’t have time to be informed or do / learn how to do critical thinking.
Doesn’t change the fact that we’re astoundingly ignorant, and increasingly illiterate.
You’ve provided an explanation (which is not actually simpler, my single sentence summary of your points is), but that does not change the actual fact that 54% of American adults cannot read a children’s story to their own kids, even if they had the time.
Combine that with short form social media addiction amongst children markedly reducing attention span and cognitive ability generally, and the actual reality on the ground is even worse.
If you want a practical, functional conversation geared toward solving the problem, you have to face these facts.
If you want a short lament about the state of society and its general anti intellectualism and ignorance, the person whose take you are calling shitty and thoughtless is actually a pretty concise and accurate remark.
Is it a shitty take to say ‘Under Trump, trans people / latin immigrants / the poor are fucked’?
Does that require an in-depth explanation of how and why that statement is true to not be a shitty take?
… This overexplanation, this attitude that ‘no you must make clear that you understand all the context before you can have an opinion’ kind of attitude is precisely what turns off people who have short attention spans and don’t have the time or are literally incapable of doing their own research.
It is the exact stereotype that Republicans have been successfully utilizing for decades against Democrats, that they’re all stodgy elitists who talk down to anyone who is not as enlightened as them.
… Which is over half of adult Americans.
Keep running with it, you’ll have the moral highground when the flood of economic and climactic disasters washes us all away, with no regard to how many times you can say ‘i told you so’ before you drown.
You’ve provided an explanation (which is not actually simpler, my single sentence summary of your points is),
Mine was actually simpler, and is even simpler than yours…
For many Americans they simply don’t have the time to read about it.
I just then immediately expanded on that simple explanation, instead of leaving a lazy single line response like the OP. Because this is a place for actually discussing things, not just leaving a side shitty comment like it’s Facebook. The OP I responded to did not even attempt to go beyond, instead going for the low hanging fruit of, “haha Americans dumb” and leaving it at that as of that added to the conversation in some way.
Great, trying to criticize Trump and starting another war on drugs
Yes let’s just let him do whatever for fear he will retaliate.
He’s gonna try to do whatever he wants anyways. You think he respects Mexico, let alone women?
Guess we should just shut up and let him do it, right?
You can do whatever you want.
Story of your life.
a lot of people around him who want fewer missed opportunities
Me, too, buddy. Me, too.
Maybe if American hero Tommy Crooks woulda practiced a bit more
Strong Mexican woman dominates orange sadboi cuck.
When the thumbnail is small it looks like she’s wearing a spider-man costume and I think it’s oddly appropriate.
Spiderwoman.
Seventy percent of the illegal weapons seized from criminals in Mexico come from your country. We do not produce these weapons, nor do we consume synthetic drugs. Tragically, it is in our country that lives are lost to the violence resulting from meeting the drug demand in yours.
- Sheinbaum
Not doubting you here but do you have the original source for that quote? The link in the article just goes to tweet…from a WaPo writer…who doesn’t include a link to the original statement. I want to read everything she said
The Mexican government’s website quotes Sheinbaum’s original address (in Spanish). Among other English outlets, Politico quotes translations thereof.
Site doesn’t load :(
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You don’t have permission to access “http://www.gob.mx/presidencia/prensa/no-es-con-amenazas-ni-con-aranceles-como-se-va-a-atender-el-fenomeno-migratorio-ni-el-consumo-de-drogas-en-eua-presidenta-claudia-sheinbaum” on this server.That’s weird. The Internet Archive hosts a copy of the page that you should be able to view. I would like to find out why you can’t access the Mexican government’s website, though.
For others, here’s the contents:
Presidencia de la Republica | 26 de noviembre de 2024 | Comunicado Presidenta Claudia Sheinbaum Presidenta Claudia Sheinbaum
La imposición de aranceles causaría a Estados Unidos y a México inflación y pérdidas de empleo, destacó Resaltó que la fortaleza económica de Norteamérica radica en mantener su sociedad comercialLa Presidenta de México, Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo, aclaró al presidente electo de Estados Unidos, Donald Trump, que no es con amenazas ni con aranceles como se va atender el fenómeno migratorio ni el consumo de drogas en Estados Unidos.
“Se requiere de cooperación y entendimiento recíproco a estos grandes desafíos. A un arancel, vendrá otro en respuesta y así hasta que pongamos en riesgo empresas comunes. Sí, comunes. Por ejemplo, de los principales exportadores de México a Estados Unidos son General Motors, Stellantis y Ford Motor Company, las cuales llegaron a México hace 80 años. ¿Por qué ponerle un impuesto que las ponga en riesgo? No es aceptable y causaría a Estados Unidos y a México inflación y pérdidas de empleo”.
Así lo sostiene en una carta que leyó en su conferencia matutina: “Las mañaneras del pueblo”, la cual enviará este martes 26 de noviembre al presidente electo estadounidense, quien el día de ayer informó a través de la red social, Truth Social, que una de sus primeras órdenes ejecutivas al tomar posesión de su cargo, será imponer un arancel del 25 por ciento a todos los productos de México y de Canadá, así como un 10 por ciento adicional a las tarifas establecidas para las importaciones de China.
En la misiva, la Presidenta de México afirmó que está convencida de que la fortaleza económica de Norteamérica radica en mantener su sociedad comercial, ya que de esta manera se puede seguir siendo más competitivos frente a otros bloques económicos.
“Considero que el diálogo es el mejor camino para el entendimiento, la paz y la prosperidad en nuestras naciones, espero que nuestros equipos puedan encontrarse pronto”, agregó.
Resaltó que México ha desarrollado una política integral de atención a las personas migrantes de diferentes lugares del mundo que cruzan territorio mexicano y que tienen como destino la frontera sur de los Estados Unidos de América, por lo que, como resultado de esta política y de acuerdo con las cifras de la Oficina de Aduanas y Protección Fronteriza de EUA (CBP, por sus siglas en inglés), los encuentros en la frontera entre México y Estados Unidos se han reducido en 75 por ciento de diciembre de 2023 a noviembre de 2024.
“Por cierto, la mitad de los que arriban, es a través de una cita legalmente otorgada por el programa de Estados Unidos denominado CBP One. Por estas razones, ya no llegan caravanas de personas migrantes a la frontera”, aclaró.
La Jefa del Ejecutivo Federal puntualizó que, conjuntamente, las dos naciones deben arribar a otro modelo de movilidad laboral y de atención a las causas que llevan a las familias a dejar por necesidad sus hogares de origen, por lo que argumentó que si un porcentaje de lo que Estados Unidos destina a la guerra se dedica a construir la paz y el desarrollo, se atendería de fondo la movilidad.
Recordó que México, por razones humanitarias, siempre ha manifestado su disposición para evitar que continúe la epidemia de fentanilo en Estados Unidos, al que calificó como un problema de consumo y de salud pública.
“En lo que va del año, las fuerzas armadas mexicanas y las fiscalías han incautado toneladas de diferentes tipos de drogas, 10,340 armas y detenido 15,640 personas por violencia relacionada con el tráfico de drogas. Se encuentra en proceso de aprobación en el poder legislativo de mi país, una reforma constitucional para declarar delito grave sin derecho a fianza la producción, distribución y comercialización del fentanilo y otras drogas sintéticas”, reveló.
No obstante, señaló que es públicamente conocido que los precursores químicos para la fabricación del fentanilo y de otras drogas sintéticas ingresan a Canadá, Estados Unidos y México de manera ilegal proveniente de países asiáticos, por lo que es urgente, puntualizó, la colaboración internacional.
Además, informó al presidente electo Donald Trump, que el 70 por ciento de las armas ilegales incautadas a delincuentes en México, proviene de Estados Unidos.
“Las armas no las producimos nosotros, las drogas sintéticas no las consumimos nosotros. Los muertos por la delincuencia para responder a la demanda de drogas en su país, lamentablemente los ponemos nosotros”, enfatizó.
La Presidenta de México declaró, posteriormente en sesión de preguntas y respuestas de su encuentro matutino con medios, que tiene la visión de que habrá un acuerdo con el presidente electo Donald Trump, debido a que nuestras economías se complementan y nuestra nación es libre y soberana, por lo que sostiene una relación de iguales con todas las naciones del mundo.
“Que sepan (que se va a llegar a un acuerdo) las y los mexicanos, todos, empresarios, empresarias, las empresas de Estados Unidos en México, los empresarios comunes, los empresarios de México que tienen inversiones en Estados Unidos. Todo esto genera empleo en Estados Unidos y genera una fortaleza económica para las dos naciones, y también para Canadá. Entonces, que sepan que nos vamos a poner de acuerdo”, aseveró.
Por ello, la mandataria nacional reiteró su llamado a que los mercados tengan calma, ya que se trabaja conjuntamente en el Plan México y se va a establecer un diálogo con los Estados Unidos.
“Hay gobierno, hay pueblo, estamos unidos los mexicanos frente a esto, habrá otras cosas que tengamos diferencias y qué bueno porque somos una democracia, pero hay temas en donde hay unidad y en eso nos vamos a poner de acuerdo y así vamos a ir a dialogar con el presidente Trump y su equipo”, señaló.
Informó que también enviará una carta al primer ministro de Canadá, Justin Trudeau, en el que expondrá que México ha trabajado en el fortalecimiento de la relación comercial entre las tres naciones, ya que tan sólo en el sector automotriz en nuestro país, la inversión extrajera directa de 2006 a 2024, de Estados Unidos y Canadá, alcanzó un monto de 33 mil 357 millones de dólares; en contraparte, la de China solamente es de 590 millones de dólares.
“Y tenemos un plan, que se llama el ‘Plan México’. Y este plan también lo presentaremos en su momento al presidente Trump y también a Canadá porque, la verdad, es que México fue muy generoso con Canadá, porque estuvieron a punto de expulsarlo del Tratado con la negociación del 2018, y fue el Presidente López Obrador quien dijo y abogó por Canadá para que se quedara en el Tratado. Entonces, nosotros, por eso digo, nos complementamos”, concluyó.
Thank you, that works. I thought it was a video, though
Probably because they have terrible security systems that false-positive ban benign GET requests on Tor
You can easily find multiple sources quoting her merely by Googling the text.
Don’t you think that should have been provided by any of the 3 people referencing it?
Link to source?
FFS. Google works just fine…
8th paragraph
? I still don’t see her presentation
Nice. I heard that she’s a left leaning rather competent president when she got elected and it seems like this is true.
Uuuuh, no, no she’s not. She’s a puppet for the previous president.
I think I like her
I’m sure she’s far from perfect but so far I really like this new Mexican president.
I’m wondering if Mexico can annex us.
She could start with New Mexico, on the basis of “It’s got my name on it”
Yeah, that’s one reason she won by a landslide! She’s awesome. (The other reason is that Xochitl Galvez, her opponent, is a complete moron and keept embarrassing herself)
Man, if only a candidate being a moron who kept embarrassing themselves was disqualifying in the USA.
Anyone got a link to her presentation?
I’m kinda hoping she’s pissed off enough to call the program to a halt once Biden leaves office and the tariffs begin. Just unleash the swarm. Or maybe wait just long enough to make it clear he CAUSED this, as the numbers of illegal crossings rise month after month.
Nevermind, I can’t help feeling innocent people would be hurt by his jackboot thugs. And the MAGA-US isn’t going to be a healthy place to live anymore anyway.
Is it really gun “trafficking” when they’re shipped down there in company owned trucks and sold wholesale to gang members right out of the back?
The Company.
Time for 2 Fast 2 Furious. This time with serial numbers and trackers that will be slightly harder to remove.
