Good joke, YouTube.
Ah yes, but what about the violation to our time where we’ve had to sit through 30 second ~ 2 minute ads of over-dramatized ways for shitty companies to get us to buy shit we don’t want and subscribe to services we don’t need? What about those violations and those violations happen more frequently than us blocking your ads? The hell with you.
The ads on ESPN are the worst. 30 second ad to see a 20 second clip. Disrespectful.
Are you ready for some Ad revenue!!!
I’m just so tired of ads nowadays, ads for cars i can’t afford, ads for crap i’m never going to buy, ads for the supermarket i’m going to no matter if they have some discount…it’s all useless and a waste of my time and invasion on my peace.
I bought the devices, i pay for the internet connection and i pay the rent on this house, i decide what makes it inside my house.
I don’t need this funny clip my supermarket made to market overpriced holiday food 46 times a day that lasts 60 seconds and is only funny the first time i see it. I’m not going to buy a tiny christmas cake that barely feeds a child for €15, realistically it’s value to me is €1,50 compared to my wage and amount of food i get in return. I’m buying store brand m&m’s and a loaf of bread like i do all year.
If you can’t keep existing without shoveling truckloads of ads into my face, then go bankrupt…i don’t give a damn. You’re not worth €16 a month to me either or whatever the price is nowadays. Just fuck off i’ll get my entertainment elsewhere, heck i might dust off that ps4 and buy used dvd’s for 25 cents a piece.
Yeah and a couple of things:
Malware has directly passed through as networks multiple times and neither the server of ads nor the ad network were able to be held responsible for it.
Right now it is common for ads to show apps that look like something popular but deploy malware. Nobody is taking responsibility for any of it. Ad networks aren’t well policed.
It is irresponsible for a user not to block ads IMO but I also get to decide what packets of data traverse my network just like any other person or company. As a consumer I do not have to be responsible or care if a business model succeeds or not.
Nobody forces you to watch YouTube.
Psssst don’t anger the anti-corpo-crew.
Who cares. These of people are YouTube addicts. Just stop using it, if you find it so unbearable.
Oh I totally agree with you, I was just making fun of the downvotes coming from hypocrites who don’t want to abandon their favorite megacorp but instead cry a river about ads.
Now I hate ads like the next guy, but either I find a way to block them, or I move on.
Same here. These people are literally unable to vote with their wallet, not even metaphorically.
No, I’m just going to adblock harder.
Good for you if it works.
No they’re just forcing him to watch ads
Yeah, of course. They clearly force him to type “YouTube.com” in his browser and to press enter afterwards.
Well, then don’t go on YouTube, or use peer tube. You are trading 30 seconds of your time for:
- creators making the thing you so desperately want to watch
- disk space to store it
- bandwidth to send it around the world
- compute to transcode it and process it
- real estate and security for the premises
- power for the datacenter
- ac to cool the servers
- wages of workers to maintain that whole infrastructure
- wages of devs for the app
- yes, profits for the company
Of course, you can decide to not pay and steal it instead, just don’t act like you are morally entitled to do it.
Eat shit, dickhead
Am I on Reddit again?
Nah, I’d rather watch YouTube. Ad free, too.
I would agree back in like 2010 but YouTube ads got so cancerous over the years that I won’t give them money (Premium) out of principle until literally nothing works anymore.
use PeerTube
lmao
You’re welcome then (since my fees subsidize your watching).
I am grateful mylord
Rejoice!
I saw it and refreshed the ublock filters and everything works again
ad blocker detector blocker in filter list go brrr
Just replace the watch?v= with embed/
Delete this, YouTube will catch on and block this workaround.
Edit: disregard. Here is a custom GreaseMonkey/ViolentMonkey userscript to automatically do this for you:
// ==UserScript== // @name YouTube to Embed Redirect (Desktop & Mobile) // @namespace http://tampermonkey.net/ // @version 1.1 // @description Redirects YouTube video URLs (desktop and mobile) to their embed version. // @author BaroqueInMind // @match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v* // @match https://m.youtube.com/watch?v* // @grant none // ==/UserScript== (function() { 'use strict'; // Extract the video ID from the URL const videoId = new URLSearchParams(window.location.search).get('v'); if (videoId) { // Redirect to the embed URL window.location.href = `https://www.youtube.com/embed/$%7BvideoId%7D`; } })();Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if some of the employees are watching threads like this one.
BTW, go fuck yourself, YouTube devs!
im not so sure the devs have fault in any of this though
Yes and No.
They likely use adblocks themselves.
aggressively refreshes ublock patch list
I’ve landed on that page a couple of times. I’m just waiting to be blocked.
I almost never watch videos on youtube because I download them and watch them locally. The two things that I use to download them are Downie (Mac) and yt-download (cross platform). This helps me avoid ads unless they are baked into the video. I also like to grab a bunch of content all at once and then watch at my leisure.
So sad YouTube died, it was such a useful service.
If you digged all the crap out sure
Use Firefox
I am already doing that, but YouTube doesn’t like uBlock Origin. The browser is not the problem.
What’s the Fediverse YouTube? ooof. that’s a tough nut.
YT Shorts maybe
Reddit is mostly text, with a few images for memes, very low in storage, processing power, or bandwidth, its easy to have a fediverse replacement.
Youtube is a video platform. Video take a lot of storage, encoding/decoding, bandwidth…
And video platforms are small amount of content creators, with 99 percent of the users being non-content-creating viewers. Once the content creators are on a monopoly platform (like youtube), there’s no incentive for them to leave. And fediverse wouldn’t have the same money to make.
In contrast, anyone can find interesting links to post to a Reddit-alternative, anyone can make memes.
TLDR: Reddit is community-focused. Youtube is creator-focused. Difference in hardware requirements. Theres no practical alternative for Youtube, especially not a fediverse one.
I love that the replies to you are half saying that it’s an impossible problem, and half linking to existing solutions.
Peertube, but it’s really not nearly the replacement lemmy or mastodon are.
Yet. It’s still very new, and as enshittification increases, so will federated development.
No one understands the astronomical bandwidth, CPU/GPU intensive calcs, and data storage necessities required to do anything close to what YouTube currently does.
There is no way under this warm sun that a fediverse version of YouTube will ever be feasible, unless someone like literally yourself is willing to pay extraordinary high amounts of money for all the required infrastructure and daily maintenance to run it.
Monetization. Tumbleweed content-wise. Some content producers make content for money.
Media reach: Content is stored, where the consumers look for it.
What part of “bittorrent” do you not understand? I am really getting fucking sick and tired of people like you posting this bullshit FUD.
PeerTube uses WebTorrent protocol and it still doesn’t do well with the same quantity of bandwidth demands.
Post your own self-hosted PeerTube instance for us all to use then, let’s see who’s correct. Otherwise provide a solution or shut the fuck up.
A “fediverse” version of Youtube already got made and subsequently killed, PopcornTime.
The Bittorrent backbone already has plenty of media and can handle more bandwidth than we’d ever need to throw at it. Encrypted Onion Routing provides a degree of insurance against copyright cops, too. The only problems left to solve are automating the discovery of user-relevant content and avoiding the legal system long enough to write and popularize an open source app that puts it all together with a couch-friendly front-end.
PopcornTime was so amazing and important. Sad to see it dead.
At this point, I wonder how we can solve google’s youtube monopoly. Is it even doable? So overwhelming.
Simplest solution is to kill Google CEOs, anything else proposed as a solution will take longer than your entire lifetime.
I would want to see some data on costs, because I think you might be overselling the difficulty and cost a bit (I don’t actually know, just my good faith belief). Imagine if every content creator ran their own instance. Instead of needing to worry about every user coming to a single group of servers, the Creator only needs to worry about the cost of hosting their own content and the traffic they get.
With the number of YouTubers who have to get sponsorships and Patreon anyway, it doesn’t really seem that infeasible or unreasonable to expect content creators to run their own thing or pay to have someone else to do it. Doesn’t seem like the YouTube money is that lucrative, anymore, so not like it would be all that different, either.
Several tried. Nothing as elaborate as cross dissemination, federation or whatever. But at least 5 to 10 years ago it proved to be almost impossible. Platforms like Rooster teeth, which was 100% subscription based, I think never broke even and still relied on YT ads for the majority of the revenue. Some big and small channels tried to at least just catalog, archive and serve their own videos and the costs still became astronomical really fast. Whenever you see one of those very old channels, most of them don’t conserve copies, let alone original source footage of their entire material. Everyone just delete their videos once they’ve been on YouTube for a month or so now, and they have to download their own videos when they want to reuse old footage.
Storage is cheap today, yes, but video really eats storage at an alarming rate. Specially now that 4k is the standard. So you have to reuse storage over and over. Transcoding is also really fast and optimized with modern algorithms, but it takes specialized graphical cards and data centers charge a premium to use servers with such capacities. Self hosting will never be able to satisfy a moderate demand. Get anything above 100 users simultaneously transcoding videos and a non-specialized server will halt to a grind just on IO calls to hard drives alone.
Once you consider all those factors it is obvious why YouTube is such a miracle.
It’s such a miracle becuase the world gave it all of their content for free.
At least in part.
https://gbtimes.com/how-much-does-youtube/
Estimated annual server cost: approximately $1 billion
Estimated annual data center cost: approximately $5 billion
Estimated annual bandwidth cost: $3 billion
Good luck running that shit from your closet server.
According to that first link, it costs $6.1 billion to $11.7 billion annually to run YouTube. Even if you segment that into niche video communities, it’ll still cost hundreds of millions of dollars annually to host it, if you get a decent amount of traffic.
This is why YouTube is a monopoly. Because they have the ridiculous amount of money to throw at a “free” video hosting site. Any other video host would crumble under the weight of YouTube’s level of traffic. That’s also why some others, like Nebula, require a subscription model to function. Or any movie/TV show streaming service. They can’t afford to host that stuff for free.
This is also why Google is so obsessed with cracking down on anti-ad software. That’s how they make the money that pays for YouTube.
According to this, as of Jan 2024 there were 14 Billion videos on Yt. So effectively a dollar and change to host a video for all YT users.
Obviously it doesn’t work like that, but if the above commenter’s point was that I, a content creator, host my video and manage my own costs, and that video is linked via whatever federation, I can monetize and limit as needed as a creator, thus popular videos get paid to host, and unpopular videos are hosted for more or less table stakes because they’re only getting X hits per Month.
Some kind of WordPress-like container with a built-in safety switch for overages and - hey presto. Well, it’s a thought anyway.
I dunno, it seems do-able, even if the Great Unwashed are going to stick with YT and getting ads up the wazoo to see “I Stuffed My Face In A Fusion Reactor - Watch What Happens Next” and the like.
Sure, but you’re assuming all content is on one server. With something like PeerTube, content is federated.
That said, I don’t think federation is the solution here because a popular video is going to completely swamp that instance, but something P2P would probably work if you can stream from multiple seeders. Even if you copy like we do w/ Lemmy, you’d still end up with a handful of instances that are way more popular than the rest and those would get hammered if there’s a particularly popular video.
If you can spread that $6B (ignoring bandwidth here) over 10M people, you end up with a very reasonable $600/year, and costs would go down as more people join the network. I also assume a lot of that is duplication to handle demand spikes, which is baked in to the P2P system, so a P2P system would probably be way cheaper to scale up.
but something P2P would probably work if you can stream from multiple seeders
Which is, in fact, exactly how PeerTube works: it’s got BitTorrent built right into it.
Frankly, it’s ridiculous how people keep harping on this “problem” as if it isn’t long since solved.
I thought it was largely federated? I don’t know how the internals work, so I don’t know what group of peers it’ll pull from.
Regardless, the problem PeerTube has little to do with its technical foundation IMO, but the network effect. If we get people to start using it, either we’ll fix it or we’ll develop something better, but getting creators to move is the first step.
If you read the links, this includes their server clusters and employees across the entire world all doing complex load balancing and maintenance.
Sure, and none of that is necessary with a proper P2P system. If I’m torrenting something, it’ll naturally pull from seeders near me over seeders on the other side of the planet, so load balancing happens by every client being greedy.
The complex load balancing is only necessary because it’s a centralized service.
This protocol already exists and so does the system, PeerTube.
Why no significant quantity of people use it is apparent after you try it for a while; the entire server system cannot handle the commensurate volume of content and interactions that YouTube is popular for.
Eat shit, Youtube!
There’s a very simple solution to this, and I’m honestly not quite sure why no one is doing it.
Make ads voluntary. Make them separate from the rest of the experience.
Make it so that you can watch ads and answer surveys based off of the ads in order to get credits which then allow you to watch videos.
Alternatively, make it so that you can purchase the credits out right.
Everyone fucking wins.
I don’t know why people are so stupid as to not even contemplate the easiest and most satisfying solution to all of the problems.
But the venn diagram of the group of people who take voluntary surveys and the group you want to advertise to have no overlap.
The problem with ads is that we’re barely removed from the era of all ads being malicious trojans if you clicked one. All ads are still malicious, just less insidious. They’ll silo you off into an echo chamber rather than brick your computer. Some will still brick your computer though.
I block ads because I don’t want to see ads, but I don’t want to see ads because I don’t trust any of them. Until they fix that, they’ll stay blocked. I don’t care if you’re Google or some boutique website, I’ll block them all.
Your last suggestion is basically what YouTube premium offers. I don’t think I would personally watch ads voluntarily, but I’ve seen similar systems in some games. Smite (at least used to) let you watch ads to get gems that you can use to buy cosmetics.
I blocked the popup…
Did that work? I thought that would replace the video and didn’t bother trying.
It hasn’t caused me any issues
If a million porn sites can make streaming video work, then YouTube is replaceable.
Yeah, they’re trying new things again. Gotta squeeze that stone for all the blood that’s in it.
One of my accounts has been getting a long delay before the video starts. Pre-roll ads are trying to load and play but the add-ons I have installed are still stopping them from completely succeeding. For now.
I also have auto-play turned off, and I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
Pretty sure the systems at their side think that I’m seeing the ads because I’ve had pop-ups during the delay offering free Premium.
I just saw this on my phone for the first time ever about 20 minutes ago
mpv youtube-URL works just fine without even loading the crappy scripts to show a banner like that. Manage your subscriptions with a RSS feeder and you don’t need an account to follow creators.
i use ublock origin
reddit still good for something: Filter Lists–>uBlock filters–>uncheck the “ublock filters - quickfixes” box and then reload the page.
this worked for me
Awesome.
The day FireFox and UBlock Origin stop working with eachother completely. Might be the day I just uninstall all of my browsers and use my PC more personally than before.
I just gave it 15 minutes and they started working again.
Huh, I was able to just close the pop-up and play the video as normal.
Yea this is also what I had to do to get things moving again.
Rip chrome. It just killed ublock for me yesterday
Only one of my three computers was having this problem, but this solution worked for me as well. Thanks for sharing it here!
Yup, I use ublock origin and have never had issues on YT.
They do random testing. I’ve received one of these a couple of times with unlock as well. Google/yt has not fully committed.
I hope they don’t commit. But if they do, I guess that’ll be the end of YT for me…
Yeah you and a lot of people. There’s a couple articles about it but essentially there’s some talk of pushback.
And personally for me there are alternatives that people could use. While not a lot of people are on it, peertube is a viable alternative. I’ve watched a couple of small creators on it and it ha good performance. Just a very small audience.
Makertube is one of my favorites.
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Sometimes I have to use YouTube rawdog for work and it’s unusable, if I want to skip forward in the video to reach the solution to my problem I get an add every time I click the timeline.
If you need it for work, why don’t you have YouTube premium?
I didn’t screencap it but today on YT I was given a modal that said I was using an adblocker (ublock) and I have three more videos before they require premium. I changed VPN locations and stopped getting the message.
Yep, used the reddit solution.
I find the adblock yt prompt only shows now when I try to open two tabs of YouTube. Second tab has this message but the first plays fine. I think ublock probably deployed a half fix already
Fuck reddit, this solution did not work for me. All YouTube videos stop buffering after 59 seconds. Only fixes i have found is with either making a custom userscript or disabling ublock from working on YouTube by whitelisting the entire domain.
Or you could download freetube and be done with it
