Reposting this from here from 2023, after I stumbled across it tonight and it hits hard.

The text in the image:

I love my smart TV. I love the way it takes a long time to boot up because it’s trying to refresh the advertisements on the home screen. I delight in the way it randomly restarts because it’s downloaded an update without asking me, each of which makes the TV slower and slower with every subsequent install. I adore the way it buries the apps that I want to use, and that I use without fail every single time, below the apps that it’s being paid to promote and which I have never touched in my life and would never use without the cold metal of a glock pressed hard against my sweating temple. I am infinitely thrilled by the way the interface lags constantly, due to the need to have one thousand unnecessary animations rendered on hardware ripped wholesale from a ten year old phone. I feel myself borne aloft on wings of pure joy when I am notified that my data will be collected and analysed to determine my usage patterns. Even now I am writing this from a field of beautiful flowers and soft luscious grass as I lie and look up happily at the bright blue sky, smiling happily to know that this is the future of technology

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    Ah! I was reading that post yesterday https://lemmy.world/post/22309068 as I am looking for a 55’ 4K oled dumb display.

    So far no joy.

    Apparently some manufacturers makes internet mandatory at first boot and even if you block or disconnect it later it will nag you for firmware update every now and then.

    The only possibility I have found for an EU customer at the moment is Sony Bravia. Yup Sony sucks but apparently Bravia’s let you choose to refuse the terms of service and not use the smart things, thus making them dumb tv.

    But maybe I’m wrong, maybe it’s not the case anymore or maybe they will decide to change that.

    That sucks, if any of you knows about a commercial display/computer monitor/dumb tv in oled 4K hdr 55’ available in Europe, I might fall a little bit in love with you.

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      I recently got the Bravia XR-55A95L probably going through the same thought process as you. You can indeed just skip all the TOS and set it up as a Basic TV.

      However: The software is crap. Complete garbage. Random reboots - I already had to reset it once completely because it no longer showed a picture (and then set it up again). Every day it will show you a notification that it’s not connected to the internet DESPITE having networking disabled completely.

      I tried to update the TV from USB and it failed every time. I eventually gave in and connected it to the internet to update it only to see that I‘m already on the newest version (which I assume is also why updating from USB failed with a generic error).

      I never had this much trouble with a device that costs as much as a MacBook or a high end gaming PC and I would’ve already returned if the competition wasn’t even worse.

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        The competition doesn’t sound worse to me. My smart tv from 2019 is rock solid.

        Sony is just known for amazing picture quality and abysmal software, so that’s just par for the course. If you want a stable TV return it and get some of the other models using the same panel (IIRC a QD OLED from Samsung Display).

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        Ah shit.

        Thanks for the feedback, it is greatly appreciated as those things are expensive.

        I guess we are fucked until the EU make a new pro-consumer law. But that would take years (if they ever make it).

        Another possibility would be to use a projector (it is only for homelab NAS movies afterall). I have a xgimi in my bedroom and it is somewhat great once connected to the free AppleTV my ISP gave me. Otherwise the default google tv OS on it is pure shit.

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      I recently got a TCL TV that has Google TV on it. The reason I chose it, even tho it’s not the highest quality 4K capable TV, is that on first boot it gives you the option to choose dumb TV or smart TV modes. Have never connected it to the internet. Maybe you would have some luck looking into that!

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        I also recently got a tcl with google, and haven’t hooked it to the internet.

        The OS on it isn’t very good (seriously too many menus in too many places), it sets full brightness and then reduces to setpoint when you change inputs, and I haven’t figured out why it boots up my ps4 every time I turn on the tv, but beyond that I’ve been pretty happy with it.

        It’s a very decent dumb tv.

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          Same. TCL is pretty good at being a dumb TV.

          Wouldn’t trust it if it is connected to the internet though.

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      AFAIK, LG still do not require internet access on first startup.
      At least on their medium/high end lines (C and G series).
      This was a hard requirement for me. Mine has never been on the internet.

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        That’s good to know, thanks.

        But after my message this morning I decided to try out my xgimi projector in the living room instead of the bedroom.

        It is perfect like that and I will give the tv (old LG 1080p). A bedroom is not a home cinema anyway, because you don’t want crumbs in the bed 🙄

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          I love having a projector in the living room.
          I won’t lie, it gets used far less than I’d like.
          But it cost me almost nothing, and it’s just fun to have a massive wall of video.

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            I’m sure they exist (though at what price point?) but I have a hard time imagining a projector (and a surface to project on), that can reach anything close to the black levels of a modern OLED panel.

            Again, I’m sure they exist, but at comparable prices?

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              That’s a room treatment issue. You need to control light and reflections, because your “black” is just however dark the projector screen is.

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                Is that true? Because I was under the impression that even the darkest “blacks” from a projector, are still made from the light coming from the device. Which is not necessarily the same thing as a pixel on an OLED TV being set to “off”.

                But I am far from an expert. Also, as I said, I’m sure some really amazing projectors are out there, I just imagine they’re cost prohibitive for most people.

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                  Is that true? Because I was under the impression that even the darkest “blacks” from a projector, are still made from the light coming from the device

                  You’re probably thinking of contrast, which is the ability of the projector to avoid bleeding light into areas that shouldn’t have any. But as far as the darkness of the black levels, that’s down to room treatment (and the screen surface, to a lesser extent). After all, a projector emits light, and darkness is simply the absence of light. You can’t “make” darkness, you can only remove light.

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      Does Sony suck? I mean, their “SmartTV” software is garbage, but so is every other brand.

      The picture on my Sony Bravia OLED is better than anything I’ve seen, including relatives’ LG OLED panels.

      But yeah, the software side is trash.

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    Have a difficult time relating to people who still tolerate this from leisure technology. A screen one can liberate can be found pretty readily at hand for any range of prices in the rust belt but maybe it is different where you are.

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      Any suggestions? When I moved out I looked everywhere for a dumb TV. The only catch is I’m not willing to downgrade to standard definition.

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    Sounds like an obvious spot in the market for a bullshit-free smart TV. You’d just have to get the UX right.

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      Yeah, it’s bound to happen eventually, although they’ll probably never be exactly as good or cheap as the ones for the sucker mass-market. Think Fairphone.

      In the meanwhile, we just have to keep kludging in old solutions or alternate solutions, like a monitor. Or you could personally launch an enterprise if you’re so positioned, I guess.

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        I’m surprised I’ve yet to hear of a homebrew industry of completely cutting out the microcontrollers and soldering in a Pi or something to drive the raw display. I don’t predict it to be easy, but it doesn’t seem completely unobtainable?

        Flashing a custom bootloader would be even better, but I assume that hasn’t been done because they got that shit cryptographically locked down at the chip level.

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          There’s definitely custom ROMs; I run one on my current phone. You should too, if your model makes it possible - they tend to be OSS Android forks and can do whatever the stock one can, but better. (DivestOS being my personal choice, for the Google-freeness)

          I suppose I could have cut out the SoC and replaced it with the same SoC but not locked already. I didn’t think of that, lol! Maybe I still could - it’s still relatively new, but selling the thing feels like letting a great evil back into the world. I have no idea how hard the particular one is to pull apart in a controlled manner.

          Using a different chip would be pretty hard. You said microcontroller, but a phone is closer in function to a desktop PC than a dishwasher. There’s high-bandwidth things going on and you’re going to need a lot of bespoke circuitry and software to kludge it. Forget about the end product having the same form factor, too.

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              Fuck, wrong thread.

              Somewhere else I was talking about a phone I bought expecting I could flash it, but that I couldn’t. I read this as a reply to that.

              Yeah, it seems like it should be doable. Actually, it’s weird that big monitors cost so much considering it’s the same size of display.

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    We have an older 2012 1080p Sony 55" TV. Super thin, still works great. It had a few “smart” things it could do, like local tv guide, weather. Very simple stuff, nothing like streaming apps. Those basic smart things haven’t functioned in a while. Support ended for them a long time ago. I’ve had a negative opinion for smart TVs since then. Having those functions sitting there broken drives me nuts.

    We always used some type of streaming box. Started out with some Roku’s for a long time that worked okay until they updated them enough to run like shit. Ads were never egregious but you could tell where the trend was going. A friend let me have an older Nvidia Shield TV. It was FILLED with ads for shit we didn’t care about. Google Play store shit, Nvidia shit, advertisement shit, AHHHHHHH. It too eventually was updated enough to where everything runs like shit. I looked into a lot of self contained media systems from no names on Amazon, but I just didn’t trust them. I could set up a PC to do it all and I’d be fine with it but my wife wants something easy to use.

    Sooo I ended up going with an Apple TV. So far it’s been really nice. Zero ads on the home screen. It lists the previous content we were watching and then our streaming apps below it, that’s it. When you move the cursor over the Netflix or other apps it lists what you previously watched and some recommendations for other shows but it’s not in your face or moving anything around to do it. There are some apps you can’t remove, but I just made a folder and threw them all in there. It’s nice but it’s costly at around $140. So far for me, I’d say it’s worth it. We only use Netflix, Hulu and Plex on it, but all of them work great. It also supports the Steam Link app. I use it some, but I’ve started to use Moonlight that is installed on my Steam Link device instead, since the picture and stream quality is a lot better.

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      I also have an Apple TV and like it a lot. It’s the only Apple device I use regularly, I’m definitely not an Apple fanboy, just heard that run well and there was a specific app they support that I wanted so I went with that. Only thing I dislike is the remote. God that touch pad thing is awful. My wife says she thinks it’s because my hands are big, but idk. But other than that, great experiences with it overall.

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    I honestly wonder how hard it would be to do a full lobotomy on a smart TV and if there would be a big enough market for that kind of service.

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      I have mine disconnected from the network, but a certain non-techie member of my household (who doesn’t understand this stuff) keeps re-connecting it when they want Netflix to work, even though I’ve shown them how to do this without connecting the TV to the network.

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        Connect the TV to wifi, then go into your router’s settings and block it. It’s usually under “Access Control” or “Security”.

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        I’ve set up mine to automatically start on a specific HDMI port, that fixed the issue for confused family members.

        To find the feature though was not easy. Had to look up how to access the hotel mode hidden menu. Apparently LG has extra features it only wants hotels to be able to use.

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          Apparently LG has extra features it only wants hotels to be able to use.

          It’s more that hotels will buy in bulk if a TV has the features they want - and those “hotel mode” controls being hidden from typical hotel guests is one of those features.

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        I connected it once, then set it in the router as „enable child protection -> disable internet access“, gave it a static IP address and also blacklisted that address on my pi hole so that DNS won’t work for it. Then I immediately disconnected it. The router recognizes the TV with its MAC address when it gets reconnected and immediately bans internet access when it gets reconnected.

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      best thing is to never hook 'em up to the internet. provided the manufacturers don’t all start requiring internet to ‘set up’ a tv.

      next best thing would be a revert of firmware or a full ‘reset’ of settings; if possible. to return it to an ‘out of box’ state–then above, never connect it to the internet.

      replacing a cheap streaming device is a hell of a lot cheaper than replacing the tv once the software gets obsoleted for whatever reason.


      my coworker (and boss, technically) just casually mentioned that her inlaws ‘updated’ their tvs when they were visting over the holidays. i cringed so fucking hard because i have the same model, just smaller–so i know what happens.

      they had just recently hooked-up wireline internet and could actually stream stuff now… so i had just given them a new streaming stick to use instead of connecting their now 3 year old tv to the wifi.

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        You’d still have the TVs default OS running on a potato. I’m thinking more along the lines of replacing that with a bare bones old school OS that was responsive.

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          True, but a 3 year old TV with original firmware would have been pre-adpocalypse. My never-connected LG boots pretty quick when it was last on an HDMI port before turning off.

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        I have heard that some TVs attempt to connect to every WiFi they can find using default credentials even if you never connect it yourself

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          default credentials

          Wifi doesn’t have default credentials any more… These days, there’s legislation (at least in California) that requires default passwords to be randomly generated, but it’s recommended to have no default password at all and instead prompt the user for a password when setting up the device.

          That’s why some access points have the default password either printed on the box or on the bottom of the device.

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            i wonder if they were dumb enough to just use algorithms based on mac or the default ssid or something… so if you knew the scheme and knew the password composition (characters used, or wordlist, whatever), you could come up with the ‘default’ password for a wifi point.

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              Companies are probably doing the easiest thing, and it seems easier to make it completely random. I can imagine something very basic like a giant spreadsheet of all the devices being produced, and running some formula to enter a random value into every cell in a particular column.

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                but then they have to keep that data–and you just know they keep all those passwords. (support call… q:i dunno what the password is/can’t read the sticker. a:gimme x or y off your unit, and i’ll look it up for you).

                but if they do it programmatically, all they’d need is the code to recreate any password if given the constant used to create it (the ssid or mac or sn, for instance).

                hopefully they would use something that can’t be obtained off the wifi broadcast, like the sn on the unit.

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                  Hmm, yeah, good point. It could be based off a hash of the serial number or something similar.

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        provided the manufacturers don’t all start requiring internet to ‘set up’ a tv

        That’s an important caveat. And it appears that increasingly manufacturers are adding that requirement.

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          Yup. I bought a roku tv last Nov for a spare bedroom. Thing would not operate without a wifi connection and roku account.

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      I have simply blocked internet access (but not local network access) for mine. I only use it for jellyfin and Nintendo Switch tho.

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    I’m actually quite happy with mine I don’t think it’s shown me a single ad, the only nuisance is it doesn’t stay connected to my WiFi and only joins when I launch an app or something.

    Its a Toshiba with Vidaa Os I think, not saying it’s perfect it has all the UK channel apps but not Stremio which I would like it to have.

    That said it hasn’t done a single thing ad wise to annoy me unlike my firetv cube.

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    OT, and I’m usually not the type that comments with gun trivia, but

    the cold metal of a glock

    Wasn’t Glock famously made of ceramic polymer and became popular for evasion of metal detectors?

    Sorry for the sidetrack, that single point irks me even if it’s way outside my wheelhouse.

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    How about using computer for all the smart stuff and leaving all the visual stuff to the display? Besides, you can run Firefox and ublock origin to watch YT without ads, so what do you need a smart TV for?

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      I have a cheap N100 mini-PC with Lubuntu on it with Kodi alongside a wireless remote as my TV box, and use my TV as a dumb screen.

      Mind you, you can do it even more easily with LibreELEC instead of Lubuntu and more cheaply with one of its supported cheap SBCs plus a box instead of a mini PC.

      That said, even the simplest solution is beyond the ability of most people to set up, and once you go up to the next level of easiness to setup - a dedicated Android TV Box - you’re hit with enshittification (at the very least preconfigured apps like Netflix with matching buttons in your remote) even if you avoid big brands.

      Things are really bad nowadays unless you’re a well informed tech expert with the patience to dive into those things when you’re home.

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        There’s no HDR on Linux solutions. And I do like the HDR.

        You can at least swap out the launcher and remap the buttons on the nVidia Shield Pro if you’re that way inclined. It’s not perfect, but there’s fewer compromises.

        You get the full fat versions of paid streaming services as well, although I mostly use Jellyfin now.

        The only MiniPC solution that does everything right now is going to involve Windows 11…

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        Last time I was looking for a TV I couldn’t find a single dumb TV unless I wanted to roll back to standard definition, which makes the text in a lot of modern video games unreadable.

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          But you don’t need a dumb TV.

          The smart part isn’t what makes those TVs bad. It is the internet connection that sends you ads, scrapes your data, causes lags and reboots because of updates, and makes your network less secure.

          Just connect an other device over HDMI like you would a dumb TV, and never connect it to the internet like you would a dumb TV.

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            That’s true. I was even more tech illiterate back then than I am now and couldn’t figure out how to switch inputs without going through the menu, which I couldn’t get to without connecting to the internet and going through the whole setup process.

            No going back now since I mostly cast from my phone these days since it’s the laziest way for me to watch without ads.

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            Except some models won’t let you do anything until you “activate” your smart TV, which requires an internet connection.

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            Wrong

            The “smart part” absolutely makes those TVs bad. The meme even addresses this with the line about hardware being ripped wholesale from an old smart phone. Smart TV hardware barely functions when it’s brand new. Fuck everything about smart TVs.

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            What if I just want the screen to turn on, displaying the last output I used? No, we gotta boot Android and then select the output through a menu for no reason

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                Mine too, just takes a while to go through all the google, android, TLC screens before it gets there.

                Good thing that is only at the start.

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          Yeah… I got a Sony OLED as my most recent TV and the picture is incredible. Best I’ve ever seen.

          Even if I could find “dumb” TVs, I doubt they reach that level of quality.

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          From my experience, it’s best to just buy a used dumb screen. Check if it’s working properly and doesn’t have any screen problems and you’re golden.

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            That’s what I did, hence only finding standard def. :( I assumed that was the only option, actually. If someone is even making new ones, I’d probably have better luck there.

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        People don’t hate ads enough to go through the trouble of using better options. Once you’ve lived without ads for a while, there’s no going back.

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    i haven’t even turned on my tv in over a year because of that bullshit. i’ve just been using a monitor + laptop + 2.1 pc speakers.

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        You can get an HD Homerun. It’s a network tuner so you plug the antenna in it and then, you can watch tv on pretty much any device through the app (pc, google tv, android, iOS, etc). You can even record, pause live tv, etc…

        Well that’s way beyond the original question, sorry to derail the thread ;)

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          Never heard of that option so thanks for the info! That could be the missing piece if I ever get a non-Smart TV.

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    This is why I am dreading when my 2017 dumb TV dies. It’s really telling that dumb TVs, which should be cheaper to produce and sell, are either not available or very expensive (as in commercial displays). Really proves the point that the consumer is really the product.

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      Projectors come with their own set of issues, but at least you can still get a really good one without all the “smart” features.

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    These fucking televisions have less ram than my fucking 8 year old phone

    At some point it’s just better to factory reset this bitch and paste an RPI in the back with my own android TV so it can actually run with 8gb ram 256gb space

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        The smart ones are sold at cost or at a loss, and your privacy is then sold to subsidize the profits. A dumb tv costs more money up front (since it’s not subsidized by your privacy), but it costs far less in overall value. It’s a tradeoff that the consumer needs to make. The lovely thing, is that (for now, at least) it is still a choice we can make.

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          Which is an entirely fair compromise for people who use Lemmy, but means precisely nothing to the majority.

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            Well that’s not true. They have been in business for 40 years. They sell TVs for people who don’t want anything except video in. Mainly commercial places like offices, stadiums, etc.

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                I’m not understanding what the point is that you’re trying to make? I’m sorry.

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                  I said that the privacy concerns being worth the cost of a “smart”-free TV means nothing to the majority of people.

                  You said that this isn’t true, and that their main customer is commercial places.

                  I suggested, in response to this, that the majority of people don’t own such commercial places.

                  What part are you not understanding?

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            Not all tvs allow you to do that. Some require you to be online. Some took it a step further and are equipped with 4/5G modems to bypass your network restrictions.

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              Some require you to be online.

              I’d take it back to the store as broken. Never heard of that though.

              Some took it a step further and are equipped with 4/5G modems to bypass your network restrictions.

              Never heard of this either and it would raise a massive stink in the EU. Can you share an example?

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                Both of these were in the USA. The first was with a friend’s purchase, the latter was an article he sent me. It’s been a little while, but I know one was Samsung, but can’t remember the other brand or which was which.

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                  I wouldn’t put it past Samsung to try and force you to have internet access enabled so they can spy on you.

                  However having additional hardware to directly access the internet via cellular is a bit much. That might have been an Aprils fools article by some IT site.

                  When Sony tried to install root kits on PCs of folks just trying to watch a movie on a legit purchased DVD there was a quite large shitstorm.

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              A set of torx screwdrivers and an exacto knife will take care of that. Pretty hard for a cellular modem to transmit data when the traces to the antenna are cut.

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        Keep in mind that these are low-end TVs with, according to reviewers, generally subpar picture and sound quality, with quality issues that make them worse to look at than even old TVs. If you just need “a TV” and your only concerns are that the device is flat, the image in color and some sort of noise is escaping the speaker holes, they’ll do, but don’t expect anything more than that. To me at least, it makes more sense to not connect a smart TV to the network and use a separate streaming device attached to it.

        I would even buy a slightly older used dumb TV from a reputable manufacturer over one of these sketchy things, since it’s not like LCD TVs are finicky technology - they tend to last for an incredibly long time in my experience, easily 15 years or more. On my parents’ 2008ish Toshiba (1080p and every analog and digital input in the known universe, which, in combination with an excellent analog upscaler, makes it awesome for old games consoles - but it’s of course no looker in terms of colors by modern standards), the only thing that has broken so far is the spring of the power button, so I bent a wire press it in and a switch at the plug to be able to turn it off completely.

        This is getting a bit off-topic, but a relative of mine replaced her flatscreen TV from 2002 (!) just two years ago - and it was still working fine, but since it only had an analog tuner and SD resolution, she was looking for an upgrade. I got her a small 4K OLED from Samsung (since discontinued) and she’s very happy with it (even the “smart” features are quite inoffensive), although I did have to get her a soundbar as well, because if there’s one thing that has regressed on TVs, it’s sound quality, in part due to how ever thinner and lighter designs have reduced speakers to little more than phone speakers on some devices.

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    Maybe I got lucky with my Philips oled running Android TV, but it’s pretty quick, no ads other than recommended shows from networks, and I can choose which ones. I don’t recall it asking about data collection, but whatever the streaming services are doing it already. I like having all the streaming apps built in, then I don’t have to manage another device for this. Overall I’m surprisingly happy with it.

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      Fucking ads on my tv home would be an instant refund, unbelievable.
      I got no ads on an lg oled, but it’s infuriatingly slow.

      Isponsorblock can be run on a local docker machine with the original youtube client to make the experience more bearable.

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        Mine isn’t any slower than the AppleTV I used before. No issues there either. My only wishes would be for it to have parental controls and let me change the screensaver.

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    My 2017 Shield pro is starting to die and I’m dreading getting another TV box. Anyone have good experience with LibreElec or a similar distro? I am thinking of getting some sub $100 USFF from eBay

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      Yes, I’m on CoreELEC with an Odroid N2+ but I only play content without DRM. If you’re streaming DRM protected content you will have an easier time using Android.

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      No HDR support kiils LibreElec right away for me.

      An Android device like the Shield Pro really does seem to be the best choice. I think mine is the later model. The only thing it doesn’t seem to do is AV1 hardware decoding, and it does struggle a little with full 4K BR remuxes. Sometimes I have to reboot it before playing one.

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      What do you mean by starting to die? Have you tried factory resetting it?

      My recommendation is still the 2019 Shield Pro, unless you’re all-in on the Apple ecosystem, in which case the Apple TV is pretty decent.

      One issue with a PC is that you won’t be able to stream 4K or even 1080p content from services like Netflix if you run Linux, as Linux only supports Widevine L3 which is limited to 720p. Widevine L1 is needed for 4K content, and it’s only available on more “locked down” OSes (Windows, MacOS, unrooted Android, etc). Of course, that’s not an issue if you’re using Plex or some other form of non-DRM-protected content.

      The HDMI Forum are also blocking open-source implementations of HDMI 2.1, so it likely won’t come to open-source Linux drivers for a long time: https://www.phoronix.com/news/HDMI-2.1-OSS-Rejected. DisplayPort is superior to HDMI (as it does basically all the same things except it’s an open, free protocol) but TVs tend to not have DisplayPort ports since the major manufacturers are on the board that receives royalties from the usage of HDMI. That’s an argument for another day…

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        Good thing the Shield TV Pro can serve as a Plex server. Just don’t store your content on short thumb drives plugged directly into the device - they can overheat and corrupt, since the device appears to be using them as heat sinks. Use a USB extension cord or hub.