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Summary
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Elon Musk after he made a gesture during Trump’s inauguration resembling a Nazi salute.
Musk and his allies dismissed the comparison, calling such accusations exaggerated.
Ocasio-Cortez, however, called the gesture unacceptable, emphasizing America’s history of opposing Nazis and the Confederacy.
She also condemned the Anti-Defamation League for defending Musk, accusing it of losing credibility.
Her comments sparked broader debate on symbols, gestures, and their implications amid Trump’s return to office.
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Ohh, sick rip bruh, he’ll never recover from that!
I wish that were true but here we are with President Musk giving a Nazi salute and Americans said, “yeah, this feels right”.
The US also let neo-nazis march on the streets without contest.
This is an unpopular opinion with .world mods, but I believe nazis should be dealt with immediately.
I want to go to that bar. An ass-kicking nazi-hating bartender who doesn’t want to chat me up. Absolute heaven.
Fuck yeah, that’d be my local, 100%
By “dealt with”, I don’t suppose you mean inviting them in for tea and cake?
I’d love for them to come for tea and cake. Much easier than delivering it.
Yah, they should. A good fascist is a dead one
In a very permanent fashion.
Where are the 2A nutjobs now?
This is literally what they’ve been waiting for. Pick up your guns and go deal with Nazis right here on the American mainland. In the White House.
Where are the 2A nutjobs now?
They’re the Nazis
The 2A nutjobs are the neo-nazis.
National identity is imaginary, powerful and useful. What she’s choosing to claim with hers is badass. It’s brash, in-your-face, heroic. Anti-apathy. And our world needs tonnes more of it.
As an activist irl, and someone targeted daily by nazis for years, AOC has no illusions about the current state of fash in the USofA, nor the history and current state of slavery and genocide in the world. Nazis (and other misogynists) will tell you she’s ignorant and deluded, but you know she’s not. She’s manifesting, and the irony is lovely.
If you want to live in the country she does - against all the opposition activists for the common good constantly face - claim it as she claims it. Go find your allies irl and stop letting powerful men tell you there’s no point trying anything. Your enemy says you’re not a real person, but a thing God put on earth for them to use or destroy.
Tough love: Hope is hard work. Apathy is an easy trap that flatters your intelligence while it kills your spirit. Trust yourself and make a choice: who is your enemy and how are you going to treat them?
Extremely well said.
Thank you, this comment section has some of this cynisim already. Yes she’s saying very eviden things but the other side is winning precisely by creating a culture of fear and overwhelming toxicity and locking you in echo chambers that eat at you by making you think their normal is The normal. It’s not lying than to project what you want into the world until enough people are in on it and pressure bad elements into hiding or into changing path.
Fuck, dude. Maybe I have become too cynical. I’ve become a little dejected these last few days/weeks/months, but that was actually inspiring.
I should follow your username’s advice more lol.
Nothing wrong with being cynical and dejected given the givens imo. I’ve worked with immigrants and refugees in Canada for over a decade, and my wife and I put our Go Bag together last year for when the nazis come to kill us and take our shit. She escaped one war already and knows what’s up. The threat is real.
But the enemy LOVES it when we sit and stew in our sadness and rage. They literally study how to make us give up, and these screens we’re constantly touching are totally part of it. Don’t believe the hype. We have allies and options.
snip from the last good thing I read on reddit:
The term “disinformation” undersells the problem. Because much of Russia’s social media activity is not trying to spread fake news. Instead, the goal is to divide and conquer by making Western audiences depressed and extreme.
Sometimes, through brigading and trolling. Other times, by posting hyper-negative or extremist posts or opinions about the U.S. the West over and over, until readers assume that’s how most people feel. And sometimes, by using trolls to disrupt threads that advance Western unity.
As the RAND think tank explained, the Russian strategy is volume and repetition, from numerous accounts, to overwhelm real social media users and create the appearance that everyone disagrees with, or even hates, them. And it’s not just low-quality bots. Per RAND,
Russian propaganda is produced in incredibly large volumes and is broadcast or otherwise distributed via a large number of channels. … According to a former paid Russian Internet troll, the trolls are on duty 24 hours a day, in 12-hour shifts, and each has a daily quota of 135 posted comments of at least 200 characters.
I heard an interview with the sci-fi author Kim Stanley Robinson, and he said something that I love: “pessimism is almost a dereliction of duty.”
If we want the world to be a better place, we have to make it a better place.
Lewis or Chesterton had something similar, that optimism and pessimism were both dishonest, but patriotism was necessary to existence. Probably Lewis
I want to live in the country she thinks she’s living in…
This card says moops!
Damn straight. Every US WW II rolled in their grave twice when the sack of shit “Leon Hitler” went on stage. AOC, find a way to fix the Democratic party.
is “rips” the new “slams”?
Let’s hope it’s true… you just elected trump
It didn’t resemble a Nazi salute. It was a Nazi salute.
Yeah all these media sources keep saying things like “a day after Musk used an arm gesture, twice, that resembled the Roman salute adopted by the Nazis.”
It’s blatantly obvious that they’re afraid of getting sued. Kind of like instead of saying someone lied, they’ll soften it up to say they made a statement that some fact checkers may disagree with.
I remember Robert Evans from BTB saying that when he worked in journalism, ANY story on a rich person was automatically followed up on by a lawsuit from the person in question, so they’d have legal on a retainer ready to respond.
Yeah, he did it a second time to assure everyone of this.
He did it better the second time around.
The first time looked a little awkward (though definitely recognizable as a Nazi salute.) The second one was spot on.
Yup. Twice in a row. Exactly as the Nazis did it.
Stand to attention facing the crowd. Hand to chest, then full extension. Turn around to face the Fuhrer, or if he isn’t there, the Nazi flag. Then stand to attention and sieg heil again.
He did it. It’s not debatable. Don’t engage in debate with bad actors attempting to rewrite this history. The richest man in the world, who will act in an official capacity in the White House, is openly a Nazi. Because you are a Nazi if you perform a Nazi salute.
Are you sure about that?
The elections after 2050…
Mr (reuse last name of current or past presidents) was only raping the teens (plural) for five minutes at a time so deserves recognition for that is for winning our elections this year twice! 100% of electoral votes and a huge 5% of all Americans voted in Alabama so he got 67% of the vote plus or minus 350%
Ah yes, but that doesn’t stop many of us from voting for them.
No one voted for Elon Musk, but here he is in the White House marching around doing the goose step.
I greatly appreciate her frustration and look forward to her being the largest voice in dissent.
Same. But she better not be the only dissenting voice!
She’ll be MLK Jr’d before she becomes any sort of real voice. We can’t rely on idolising individuals anymore, that’s what fascists do.
I love AOC but I sure hope she has a really good security team. Most of us hate Nazis, but a whole lot of Republicans are actually Nazis and they hate and despise her.
