• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    Everyone who has ever won a contested primary faced opposition from within their own party.

    The opposing candidate, yes. The entire party apparatus, no.

    Leftists are ones who feel entitled to win an election without any opposition.

    “Any opposition” does not mean having to fight the party instead of just your opponent.

    Centrists want to ignore the voters’ concerns and still expect their votes without question. That’s what entitlement looks like.

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      15 hours ago

      Party leaders get one vote each, just like everyone else. They can’t stop leftists from voting. So if leftist candidates want to win, they simply need to get more votes than their opponents.

      And if leftists are discouraged by opposition from “the party apparatus”, they are going to be devastated when they find out about the massive electoral advantages of incumbency. Incumbents win >90% of their elections!

      With all their whining about “party apparatus”, frankly I think most leftists don’t have the stomach to take on an incumbent. Which basically means they will never win an election.

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          14 hours ago

          Centrists need to get more votes than their opponent. Just like everyone else.

          If a candidate can’t do that, they are not a good candidate. Their excuses are irrelevant.

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            14 hours ago

            You’re deliberately ignoring that the party does not run fair primaries, if it runs them at all. Repeat your talking point some more.

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              14 hours ago

              Politics isn’t fair.

              But nevertheless, if you can submit your signatures on time, then you can be in the primary. And if you get the most votes, then you will win the primary.

              If you can’t accomplish those two basic tasks, then you are not a good candidate. Even if you think it’s “unfair”. Step aside so someone better than you can do the job.

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                14 hours ago

                Politics isn’t fair.

                That’s not an excuse for running corrupted primaries. Unless you like the results, which you do. Up to and including losing to trump.

                It’s clear that you’re happy with a party that doesn’t respect the votes of its members enough to run honest primaries. You’re just gloating about corruption, which is what I’ve come to expect from centrists.

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                  14 hours ago

                  If everyone obeys the law, then a primary is not “corrupt”. It is a test of how many votes you can get when your opponent is using every possible legal mechanism to obtain an “unfair” advantage.

                  And that’s exactly the same thing that will happen in the general. So if a candidate doesn’t know how to win an “unfair” primary then they are destined to lose in the general. They are not a good candidate, and they should be eliminated as soon as possible.

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                    14 hours ago

                    If everyone obeys the law, then a primary is not “corrupt”.

                    Enjoy your smoke filled room then.