Like, if its collapsed, do I file? Do I even have to?
I am most certainly going to pay my state tax, but then what? What about stuff like my social security funds?
(I am asking for others because we’re at that point now I suppose)
If you are not in the club, would not recommend
Im not sure what you mean by we are at this point. The government will be collapsed to that level when it lacks the beuracracy and then you would not be getting the witholding done on your paycheck because there would be no system to do so. Alternatively if the government loses the capability of enforcing it that would let you get away with it. If the withholding is going on and if your not relatively rich, then odds are doing your taxes results in a refund.
@doomsdayrs Since Trump is trying to kill the income tax by reassigning all IRS agents to the border, my guess is that - when the U.S. government collapses under the weight of sheer stupidity - you won’t have to file on time.
But after the chaos settles down, it will depend on who ends up in control.
After the chaos settles down a whole lot of people are going to be dead. Taxes are the last thing to worry about in this scenario.
If the government collapses, you’re gunna have much worse things to worry about than taxes.
World peace?
And pay with what? Would the dollar still even exist?
Do people really think the US state and its monopoly on violence is going to collapse in the foreseeable future?
The US has been run by oligarchs since its formation as a bourgeois state after its bourgeois revolution (previously). That this is more nakedly obvious this week than last doesn’t really change that fact.
Every nation in the world is a capitalist oligarchy if you haven’t noticed. Every state is evil.
The only way to fix it, is to abolish statism worldwide.
No, not every nation is Capialist. That’s a misunderstanding of what Capitalism is or a redefinition of it to the point of uselessness as it becomes over-applied.
I’ve noticed that they are not all capitalist oligarchies, actually, though most currently are.
We would also like to ultimately abolish the state, though you and I might not mean precisely the same thing by “state.”
Actually yes, there are more oligarchs than the idiots in charge right now, and it’s going to come to a head at some point. Each one has their feifdom and they won’t go quietly.
More to the point, it’s going to reach the point of mass protest again, and moron is going to call in the military. After which everything is on the table. No one in power will be safe in anything but armored transport and guarded villages, which won’t last long. At that point the US and it’s global hegemony will be broken. There won’t be the resources to project military power beyond our borders and a few subject states, because it will cost so much to keep security at home, and productivity will tank hard.
No one can beat the US military except the US itself, and it’s being forced to do just that.
The US military is shrinking and getting more inept every year with lowered physical and aptitude standards. So at least there’s that.
IRS has plans listed for an apocalyptic event (basically they need to continue tax collection within 48 hours), but they do work for the government. Without the government; you wouldn’t need to pay taxes; but it would be the least of your concerns.
Why bother? Money that’s sent will go to their defense efforts against our revolutionaries so if you’re on their side feel free. If not keep it and buy your own ammo for protection from invasion
I already filed im just hoping i get my return on time ;-;
Yes even if you are dead you have to file taxes
So that’s why it’s death and taxes, not taxes and death.
It’s not that. They don’t have the people to make an example
You will end up paying the share of taxes to your state government that you currently do to the federal government. If the federal government collapses, all 50 states are now de facto independent. Those states can now start forming a new country or new collection of countries as they will.
Jokes aside, the IRS actually has contingency plans to continue collecting taxes in the event of an apocalypse, so yes probably.
You cannot escape the tax person.
They will come to you, either in suits, or in military uniforms. And they will collect what you legally owe to them.
(If the civillian government falls, the military will just take over and rule under martial law)
They won’t. This whole thing is undermining the IRS. They don’t have the manpower they won’t have the budget. Tax cuts for the rich also equals cuts to go after them. It’s a free for all now
They don’t have the manpower to go after everyone, but you never need to.
You make an example out of 1.000 people nation wide, and most people wouldn’t dare to not pay.
They can’t go over the people with a 300 page tax return that uses past paper losses to cover any actual income. They already automated enforcement of w2 based income.
I’m super excited to see it happen quickly that all the social security I paid in is going to be fucked off and maybe my fed taxes too… cause yay orange Hitler is now a dictator and no one can stop him
