The Pennsylvania Democrat recalled his time serving as a Hillary Clinton surrogate in 2016, even after he supported Bernie Sanders in the primary.

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    1 year ago

    Sure I can. Every eligible voter who did not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 shares partial blame for Trump winning. Less than people who voted for Trump, but more then none at all.

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      1 year ago

      Personally I would put more blame on the democrats for not fielding a better candidate that could have beaten trump not the people who didn’t vote for a shit candidate

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        1 year ago

        That’s too many layers of assumptions. I can tell you for a fact that not voting for Hillary lead directly to Trump winning in 2020. We have no idea how another candidate would have done running against him in the general.

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          Well first yes we do based on Biden winning 2020.

          Secondly Voting for trump directly lead to trump winning. At best not voting for Hillary indirectly Lead to trump winning.

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            No you cannot compare running against Trump in 2016 to running against him in 2020. I knew how terrible he was in 2016, but a lot of people had to see it to believe it. Even a few weeks can flip an election. Hillary very well could have won without the idiotic weekend announcement before Election Day of meaningless information by the FBI.

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              I agree that a lot of people had to see trump as president before they knew he was a bad president.

              i just disagree with blaming people who didn’t vote for trump for trump being elected.

              hell I kinda disagree with blaming trump supporters for trumps actions. the people I know that like him are old, uneducated, rural, or deeply Christian, they don’t know how to think critically. They don’t question the news they get and they only get news from a single source that tells them they are right. they are in a cult, and in a cult the cultists are victims. the leaders are the ones to blame.

              Fox News, oan, tucker Carlson, Donal trump are the people to blame for trumps presidency, Jan 6th and project 2025 not the people who voted for him, and certainly not the people who didn’t vote for him.

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                It has nothing to do with being uneducated. Kindness doesn’t require a college degree. Trump has always been a bully, and he ran on being a bully. Someone was ok with that is ok to be blamed imo. I put some blame not all.

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                  That’s the tricky part of a cult, you get convinced to do things you wouldn’t normally do. The trump supporters I know raised their kids to be better, but were just vulnerable enough to be convinced that Trump would bully the bullies and protect the weak, which was a complete lie.

                  I empathize and hope for them to have the strength to let go of their brain washing and work to fix what has been broken.

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                    That’s fine if they admit they were wrong and voted against him in 2020, great. If not, it’s not my responsibility to reprogram them. They are adults and are responsible for their own actions. If they want to change I welcome it. If you acknowledge the blame and correct it, we’re good.