• dinckel@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I’ve learned from my mistakes with Google IoT. Unless I can host things myself, preferably even before the product inevitably dies, i’m not even considering it

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    Most IoT devices that died did so because the vendor went out of business and had to shut off the servers. Most lived in hope that a last minute investment would keep them afloat. In a few other cases, it was the middleware software provider (like Google IoT) that shut down and bricked a device.

    This legislation might apply to a big company that decides to discontinue a product line and could then send notices out, but most startups won’t know (or admit defeat) till the last possible moment. By then it’s too late.

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      Too risky. Who knows what’s hiding in their code. Might be some copylefted library or a piece of code that’s been copy-pasted into the project without fully complying with the copyleft requirements. Making sure this isn’t the case and/or cleaning up an abandoned project can be costly and complicated. Easier for them to just kill it.

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      The problem is that many companies can’t do that as they can’t give you their custom server code. The only solution here would be to change design from the beginning so that devices can work without servers and are also so secure that they don’t need security updates

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        That is the point: The pure threat of being forced to open that code could shift the business model to not have proprietary server / cloud code at all.

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      Came here to say something like this. Its clear that we will not get anything that benefits the real citizens.

  • DFX4509B@lemmy.org
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    Good thing the end of Windows support isn’t the end of the story for PC at least.

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        When was the last time you used a desktop?

        For most people, their smartphone is their computer, and (globally) Android is the top used one. Android is a version of Linux, so every year for quite a while has been the Year of the Linux “desktop”.

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          I use a desktop all day, every day (Arch, btw) because I work a tech job.

          Android is based on Linux, true but it is hardly a desktop environment (and is mostly controlled by the carrier/Google from a privacy/enshittification perspective).

          I think the Steamdeck is a better example. It’s converting console gamers into Linux desktop users and showing people that Linux gaming is very much possible.

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            But we are talking about the average user. And the average user uses their smartphone as their main computer. What you as a single person isn’t what the subject is. You’ve gone off topic.

            The average person is most likely using their Android (Linux) device as their “desktop”. The year of the Linux desktop has been a reality for years. They use it to call, make appointments, email, send and receive official documents, sign those documents (DocuSign), photo for business reasons and expenses, etc… I used to do inventory and order management on mine.

            “Smartphones are the most widely used devices globally, with 5.3 billion users… Laptops are used by 1.8 billion people… Desktops, with 1.2 billion users globally”

            Android is based on Linux, true but it is hardly a desktop environment

            Technology changes, and with it comes it’s shape and form. Many would have told you that a GUI is hardly a desktop environment before. What makes it “hardly a desktop environment”? And don’t say “I can’t do my job” because again, we are talking about the average user, not you.

            I’ve seen businesses run completely on Android. Most POS units are Android. They do sales, ordering (from supplies), employee payrolls, time sheets, a whole business.

            What else would it need to do, that the average user would want/need, to make it more “official”? “carrier/Google from a privacy/enshittification perspective” Pretty much every OS is having this issue, and devices can be purchased without carrier controls (I bought mine like that.)

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    The best weapon we have against these parasites of open source and self hosting.

    Don’t feed your enemy with funds.

    Deny the parasite profit and engagement