Chinese refiners are importing record amounts of Canadian crude after slashing purchases of U.S. oil by roughly 90 per cent amid escalating trade tensions.
Don’t forget that China is an oppressive dictatorship that is actively antagonistic to Canadian sovereignty. Consider the risks that increased Chinese government surveillance would pose to Chinese Canadians who speak out against China, and the increased control their government would have as a result. Just because you don’t believe you have anything to hide, doesn’t mean that nobody has anything to hide.
Consider also, that on an atomic level, data isn’t powerful, but it is powerful in aggregate. Consider the realtime advantage a hostile foreign power would have in a wartime scenario with cameras and microphones in even a fraction of the vehicles on the road.
Chinese EVs are a very bad idea for national security and they shouldn’t be allowed in Canada under any circumstance. These concerns don’t extend to Japan, South Korea, or Europe, they aren’t actively antagonistic to Canadian sovereignty.
How can my car data, which in all connected vehicles from anywhere is already available and being sold online to whoever wants it, prove a security risk to Canada? How can they car censor me? And why would they want to? We all buy their shit constantly. You’re living in a house that is, in all likelihood, half Chinese produced products. They want to sell their cars to us because they can undercut all the regional competition and make massive profits in our market.
China already provides at least half of the products we use in day to day life. If they wanted to strong arm us into joining their country, or whatever you mean by sovereignty, they could do so tomorrow by cutting us off. Significant sectors of our economy would collapse. I don’t see why this would benefit them though. They don’t have to turn themselves into an international pariah to get all our resources. We trade them willingly.
A far greater threat to our sovereignty is the neo nazi militarized dictatorship state to our south. We are going to have to do business with China. We are in a significantly worse position without them, and the lives of our citizens are drastically affected in that scenario. I don’t at all buy that China is attempting to inject itself in Canadian society to censor talk about Tiananmen square or the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs. Whether we talk about those things or not changes nothing. Canada isn’t prepping to invade China over human rights grievances or something.
In any case, EU and other East Asian markets do not have the EVs we are looking for. China is the world’s leader in EV markets. Nearly every top EV company globally is Chinese. EU is buying Chinese EVs. Pretty much everywhere else is also buying them. Because the alternatives are invest in massive public transportation infrastructure (all for this) or develop a decades’ worth of technology that China has and everyone else doesn’t. The answer in that situation is pretty easy for most governments to make.
Canada is nowhere close to viable nationwide public transportation. If we started today, we could have it in maybe a decade. It’s not happening at all right now. I happen to live in an area with none whatsoever. Local busses are twice a day kind of deal. If you have a job you need a car or to live within walking distance of your work. So I’m going to need a car for the foreseeable future. The car I can afford is a used gas engine car. Barring Chinese EV introduction to Canadian markets, I will be driving a gasoline car for at least another decade or 2. I can’t afford to save up the kind of money needed to afford a new EV at the costs regional dealers are charging for them. It just won’t happen. I also can’t loan or lease because I’m not an idiot. So I’m stuck with gas until Chinese EVs are brought in or until another international manufacturer becomes competitive with them, which due to the technology divide, could be quite a while.
For all those reasons and more, yes I’d be absolutely delighted to hear that Chinese EVs were coming to Canada.
I disagree.
Don’t forget that China is an oppressive dictatorship that is actively antagonistic to Canadian sovereignty. Consider the risks that increased Chinese government surveillance would pose to Chinese Canadians who speak out against China, and the increased control their government would have as a result. Just because you don’t believe you have anything to hide, doesn’t mean that nobody has anything to hide.
Consider also, that on an atomic level, data isn’t powerful, but it is powerful in aggregate. Consider the realtime advantage a hostile foreign power would have in a wartime scenario with cameras and microphones in even a fraction of the vehicles on the road.
Chinese EVs are a very bad idea for national security and they shouldn’t be allowed in Canada under any circumstance. These concerns don’t extend to Japan, South Korea, or Europe, they aren’t actively antagonistic to Canadian sovereignty.
How can my car data, which in all connected vehicles from anywhere is already available and being sold online to whoever wants it, prove a security risk to Canada? How can they car censor me? And why would they want to? We all buy their shit constantly. You’re living in a house that is, in all likelihood, half Chinese produced products. They want to sell their cars to us because they can undercut all the regional competition and make massive profits in our market.
China already provides at least half of the products we use in day to day life. If they wanted to strong arm us into joining their country, or whatever you mean by sovereignty, they could do so tomorrow by cutting us off. Significant sectors of our economy would collapse. I don’t see why this would benefit them though. They don’t have to turn themselves into an international pariah to get all our resources. We trade them willingly.
A far greater threat to our sovereignty is the neo nazi militarized dictatorship state to our south. We are going to have to do business with China. We are in a significantly worse position without them, and the lives of our citizens are drastically affected in that scenario. I don’t at all buy that China is attempting to inject itself in Canadian society to censor talk about Tiananmen square or the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs. Whether we talk about those things or not changes nothing. Canada isn’t prepping to invade China over human rights grievances or something.
In any case, EU and other East Asian markets do not have the EVs we are looking for. China is the world’s leader in EV markets. Nearly every top EV company globally is Chinese. EU is buying Chinese EVs. Pretty much everywhere else is also buying them. Because the alternatives are invest in massive public transportation infrastructure (all for this) or develop a decades’ worth of technology that China has and everyone else doesn’t. The answer in that situation is pretty easy for most governments to make.
Canada is nowhere close to viable nationwide public transportation. If we started today, we could have it in maybe a decade. It’s not happening at all right now. I happen to live in an area with none whatsoever. Local busses are twice a day kind of deal. If you have a job you need a car or to live within walking distance of your work. So I’m going to need a car for the foreseeable future. The car I can afford is a used gas engine car. Barring Chinese EV introduction to Canadian markets, I will be driving a gasoline car for at least another decade or 2. I can’t afford to save up the kind of money needed to afford a new EV at the costs regional dealers are charging for them. It just won’t happen. I also can’t loan or lease because I’m not an idiot. So I’m stuck with gas until Chinese EVs are brought in or until another international manufacturer becomes competitive with them, which due to the technology divide, could be quite a while.
For all those reasons and more, yes I’d be absolutely delighted to hear that Chinese EVs were coming to Canada.
OK you’re China posting, we get it.
Seems more like you’re McCarthy posting
You lost the debate, we get it.